Who are we most excited about in training camp this year?

[Supernope]

1 hour ago, oldschool said:

 

Thats the point. Ayomanor is at best WR4 behind Tate, Robinson, and Dike. Throw in Ridley and Ayomanor is WR5. Unless there is a major injury, hes not getting enough reps let alone targets to show out.

Worry not, there will be injuries aplenty!

[OILERMAN]

Ayomanor is strictly an X, Dike and Robinson don't factor into his play. 

 

Tate is obviously the starting X with Oliver/Ayo to battle behind him 

[Callidus]

11 minutes ago, titanruss said:

 

You cant say he's at best 4 behind Dike yet - especially considering their production and use last season.....and everyone knows what Wandale is. He could be solid but most Giants fans and football analysts think Wandale is not very good. There's plenty of opportunity for Ayo if he takes steps to develop this offseason

I doubt a single giants fan given the chance would take ayo over robinson, if they had kept him I dont think they would even be talking smack about him. He wont be making to many highlight reels but he is pretty damn dependable. 

[LPFieldTitan]

Curious to see how Dike and Ayomanor develop. Imo Dike should of go Rookie of the year last year. 

[Supernope]

15 minutes ago, LPFieldTitan said:

Imo Dike should of go Rookie of the year last year. 

[titanruss]

2 hours ago, Callidus said:

I doubt a single giants fan given the chance would take ayo over robinson, if they had kept him I dont think they would even be talking smack about him. He wont be making to many highlight reels but he is pretty damn dependable. 

You keep forgetting Ayo was a rookie. One they expect to develop. 
 

I also argued with several on Reddit during a dart vs cam conversation and most thought we had a better WR group than them after Nabors went down. They laughed when I said Wandale was more productive and better than anyone we had last year - even after I talked about our starters being 3 rookie 4th rounders.

 

 

Edited July 25 by titanruss

[titanruss]

Ayo also had a much better rookie season than Wandale and has had more game experience going into year two.
 

So yeah, there's arguments to be made IF Ayo is developing.
 

But sure, of course Wandale will get more chances THIS  year as he knows the coach and the offense. 

[Callidus]

49 minutes ago, titanruss said:

You keep forgetting Ayo was a rookie. 
 

I also argued with several on Reddit during a dart vs cam conversation and most thought we had a better WR group than them after Nabors went down. They laughed when I said Wandale was more productive and better than anyone we had last year - even after I talked about our starters being 3 rookie 4th rounders.

 

 

Well, they are just retarded then. 

 

I get he was a rookie but his lows were really damn low, feet sticking out of the ground in Australia low. If it was just a play here or there that would be one thing but it was once or twice a week and that was his same problem in college, some great, some terrible and very little in between. 

[NashvilleNinja]

2 hours ago, titanruss said:

most Giants fans and football analysts think Wandale is not very good. There's plenty of opportunity for Ayo if he takes steps to develop this offseason

 

That's surprising. Not that I keep up Giants fans opinions on anything or that I'm aware of the analysts take on him, but that's troublesome if we just signed a guy to $20M a year to not be very good.

 

What's the reasoning?

[titanruss]

1 hour ago, NashvilleNinja said:

 

That's surprising. Not that I keep up Giants fans opinions on anything or that I'm aware of the analysts take on him, but that's troublesome if we just signed a guy to $20M a year to not be very good.

 

What's the reasoning?

 Nate Tice doesn't like him at all. You can watch him do our offseason recaps with him while he's discussing with non-titans media and he says he blows analytically, thinks we way overpaid, and is JAG. ... I'd assume that means he thinks he was being schemed open.  
 

I haven't watched Wandale at all, but Nate coupled with the Reddit guys reactions (likely because they were trying to glaze Dart over Cams years ) has me questioning it some.  I thought he was pretty productive in a rough spot.  
 

Counting Ayo out so early seems silly.  No, he wasn't very good, but neither was Dike and Ridley. Tate looks like he could be a badass but he's also a rookie... add in the Wandale stuff and it's not like the guy doesn't have multiple pathways to get a lot of reps. What he does with that remains to be seen. 

Edited July 25 by titanruss

[Number9]

#1  The Man.  His team.  His second year.  How quick the ball is coming out and see a little more height on it.

 

**Gunner Helm. I found one pic where he appears to have bulked up a little.  

 

[OILERMAN]

Ayomanor was a 4th round project(end of the 4th round). He never should have led the team in targets. Forced targets and playing time on a terrible team with no WRs doesn't equal quality play.  He played almost exclusively at the X position and the team drafted an X WR with the 4th overall pick, hello. He doesn't catch the ball well, Steve Smith also broke down his rookie season and talked about what a low % of contested catches he had for his size. That should be his strength. 

 

Ayomanor has the 4th worst catch % in the league last year, he also started 14 games. That's a large sample size. Ridley was dropping everything last year and Ayo's catch % was worse!

 

He's not a lock to make the team, which I've stated all off season. 

[scine09]

10 hours ago, titanruss said:

 

You cant say he's at best 4 behind Dike yet - especially considering their production and use last season.....and everyone knows what Wandale is. He could be solid but most Giants fans and football analysts think Wandale is not very good. There's plenty of opportunity for Ayo if he takes steps to develop this offseason

“Most Giants fans.”  You maybe talked to or saw opinions of significantly less than 1% of Giants fans.

[OILERMAN]

Wandale led the league in slot yardage and was really good inside. That's where Cam is best throwing the ball. He's extremely overpaid imo but he does fit well with what they plan on doing. Wandale also did well running patterns underneath the coverage Nabors drew, I'd expect the same concepts with Tate. Once Nabors went down and Wandale played more outside some of the metrics were not good(average depth of target) but he was asked to do more than he should have been. 

[NashvilleNinja]

8 hours ago, titanruss said:

 Nate Tice doesn't like him at all. You can watch him do our offseason recaps with him while he's discussing with non-titans media and he says he blows analytically, thinks we way overpaid, and is JAG. ... I'd assume that means he thinks he was being schemed open.  
 

I haven't watched Wandale at all, but Nate coupled with the Reddit guys reactions (likely because they were trying to glaze Dart over Cams years ) has me questioning it some.  I thought he was pretty productive in a rough spot.

 

Tice isn't someone I watch but either way I'm taking what he and the Reddit regime has to say with a grain of salt. I know Wan only just finally got over the 1k yard mark his last year for them, but he was injured the first year and a half of his time there, not to mention having to deal with shitty QB play for most of that time.

 

Daboll thought highly enough of him to want to bring him here. Whether we should trust Daboll's judgement remains to be seen, but while people are bitching because we overpaid, keep in mind you always overpay in free agency. And with inflation being what it is these exorbitant contracts will only get bigger. He's younger (25) and got paid roughly the same as Doubs (26) and Shaheed (27). It's not a horrible contract given context.