NashvilleNinja Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 19 minutes ago, Face said: JJ has a career pass rush win rate of 8.4%. It’s beyond depressing. We better really hope last year was due solely to the Achilles. You know Johnson was probably traded for to be a depth piece, right? They're still going to sign and/or draft someone. Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 22 minutes ago, Face said: JJ has a career pass rush win rate of 8.4%. It’s beyond depressing. We better really hope last year was due solely to the Achilles. FYI.....The Achilles injury was in 2024. He missed 3 games last year with an ankle injury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 1 hour ago, oldschool said: Tate and Dike are nothing alike.... They are both versatile receivers who can play slot or Z and they are both efficient route runners moreso than cut and go. That's why qualified the remark with some important differences. Obviously Dike is more of a speed guy and Tate is a high point guy with great hands. OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 51 minutes ago, Callidus said: The problem is most of those guys are backup level, and a few are not exactly X wrs, they are just big. Fields, lance and brazzell are more designated deep threats than true X guys. Being able to beat press is also a key part of play X since you are always on the line. I don't buy this mindset. its been proven over the years you can find highly productive NFL WRs in the 2nd-5th rounds. Justafan, Omar, and Dangermode 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 49 minutes ago, Callidus said: There is very little comparable between them. They are almost exact opposites. Bullshit. Dike is 6'1 195, Tate is 6'2" 195. Both attack downfield, though in different ways. Both are versatile chess piece type WRs who will be moved around based on matchups. Both are versatile route runners. Both rely on technique an positioning more than open field explosiveness and YAC. Both are willing blockers on the perimeter but lack elite strength. oldschool, and titansfan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 40 minutes ago, Callidus said: The problem is most of those guys are backup level, and a few are not exactly X wrs, they are just big. Fields, lance and brazzell are more designated deep threats than true X guys. Being able to beat press is also a key part of play X since you are always on the line. Do you feel a bit like finding a true X WR is the offensive equivalent of finding a pure pro bowl single deep FS? Obviously the FS isn’t as important a position but the difficulty in finding the player. I wonder if that’s why BB seemed to not prioritize finding a dominant perimeter guy for TB12. Obviously it helps having an alien TE that can single hand palm 50 yard bombs while double teamed & well, having TB12. But he was really the first coach who started heavily featuring the slot guy as the feature of the offense. You need a QB whose a quick decision maker & accurate but it’s just a lot easier to find a 5’10-6’ 190 pounder whose fast enough, and can really cut & get open. And if they really get on the same page you start throwing in choice/option routes, that’s when you start seeing some real pitch & catch…. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 Just now, oldschool said: I don't buy this mindset. its been proven over the years you can find highly productive NFL WRs in the 2nd-5th rounds. I didnt say none of them would. also mentioned I would like to draft lance in another post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 Don't laugh and run away @oldschool. As usual, we probably agree more than we disagree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 11 minutes ago, ctm said: FYI.....The Achilles injury was in 2024. He missed 3 games last year with an ankle injury. I know that’s what I meant. I hope his lack of pass rush last year was due to him coming off the Achilles…. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 4 minutes ago, Justafan said: Don't laugh and run away @oldschool. As usual, we probably agree more than we disagree. Not running... I said what I said earlier. They are nothing alike. If Dike and Tate are alike then all WRs are alike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 (edited) 2 minutes ago, oldschool said: Not running... I said what I said earlier. They are nothing alike. If Dike and Tate are alike then all WRs are alike. I mean, I qualified the statement. We're not allowed any nuance at all? I think it's equally silly to pretend like they have no similarities whatsoever. Edited March 7 by Justafan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Face said: Do you feel a bit like finding a true X WR is the offensive equivalent of finding a pure pro bowl single deep FS? Obviously the FS isn’t as important a position but the difficulty in finding the player. I wonder if that’s why BB seemed to not prioritize finding a dominant perimeter guy for TB12. Obviously it helps having an alien TE that can single hand palm 50 yard bombs while double teamed & well, having TB12. But he was really the first coach who started heavily featuring the slot guy as the feature of the offense. You need a QB whose a quick decision maker & accurate but it’s just a lot easier to find a 5’10-6’ 190 pounder whose fast enough, and can really cut & get open. And if they really get on the same page you start throwing in choice/option routes, that’s when you start seeing some real pitch & catch…. To me X isn't synonyms with number 1. You would obviously want your X to be the prototype but imo it isn't necessary. Being able to beat press since they will see it more than any other wr is important. Being able to run enough of a route tree to threaten a whole side of the field. Cant get by on just running go routes and come backs. Since you will be alone on one side of the field often you need as many options as possible. The rest is up to what kind of offense you run. Some teams want more of a deep threat, others want a possesion guy. Some want a protype guy even if they are a poor prototype. Edited March 7 by Callidus Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 19 minutes ago, NashvilleNinja said: You know Johnson was probably traded for to be a depth piece, right? They're still going to sign and/or draft someone. No question they’re not done at edge. But there’s no way I’d describe JJ as a depth piece at $13.5 mil. He’s our starting left or right end. If we sign JFM he’s an interior guy in this defense. I assume he’ll play edge on the early downs & kick inside. Do we do that route or sign a true outside guy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 12 minutes ago, Justafan said: Bullshit. Dike is 6'1 195, Tate is 6'2" 195. Both attack downfield, though in different ways. Both are versatile chess piece type WRs who will be moved around based on matchups. Both are versatile route runners. Both rely on technique an positioning more than open field explosiveness and YAC. Both are willing blockers on the perimeter but lack elite strength. Dude, im sorry. But not really. Tate is a down field weapon, dike is a crossing route specialist. Tate is a legit blocker, dike couldn't block a screen to save his life. In this same vein Tate plays above his weight class, there is a reason everyone thought he was bigger than he is. He isn't going to be bullying guys in the nfl but he plays with more pop. Tate is a route technician, he can do more with a subtle head bob than dike does with his best route. Dike has some chops with the ball in his hand. Tate looks indecisive. Dike has decent hands but doesn't always extend for the ball or track it well. Tate has almost picture perfect form on tracking, adjusting and attacking the ball. I love dike and I dont want this post to sound like and attack on him, he definitely has his roll and is good at it. But they are not in any way the same kinda player. NashvilleNinja, titansfan, Somedude, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titansfan Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 12 minutes ago, Callidus said: To me X isn't synonyms with number 1. You would obviously want your X to be the prototype but imo it isn't necessary. Being able to beat press since they will see it more than any other wr is important. Being able to run enough of a route tree to threaten a whole side of the field. Cant get by on just running go routes and come backs. Since you will be alone on one side of the field often you need as many options as possible. The rest is up to what kind of offense you run. Some teams want more of a deep threat, others want a possesion guy. Some want a protype guy even if they are a poor prototype. Well said. Its about the responsibilities and things you ask each the receiver positions Callidus 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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