titanruss Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 Complete shit. Was ruined before. Nothing could save it. ... they destroyed it so bad I'd never want to get back into that world. Feels contrived already Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 10 hours ago, NashvilleNinja said: SPOILER Balerion died of old age. This was in Fire & Blood. I think the show is designed to be about the Dance of the Dragons, which is years after Balerion died. Still plenty of dragons, but not Balerion. But I’m not sure what kind of backstory to the Targaryen reign they will give us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 5 hours ago, titanruss said: Complete shit. Was ruined before. Nothing could save it. ... they destroyed it so bad I'd never want to get back into that world. Feels contrived already It’s all a matter of who is running the show. At least in this case they aren’t going to run out of material from GRRM. He has already written the account of the Dance of the Dragons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreepingDeath Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 This show is going to be like the Titans for me. I'm going to remain hesitant but then will get hyped just before it comes out. The F&B book was enjoyable, but there are plenty of "dialogue gaps" to be filled by the show writers. All the same, there are fewer moving pieces to juggle, so it should be more in line with other narratives. I'm curious as to their pacing of it. Are they going to stretch this thing out for 2-3 seasons? Or are they going to go the route of New Line Cinema and The Hobbit and cram it full of extra shit to drag it out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 Hiding a bit in the thread. Please be careful talking about character deaths and years and stuff. I'll paint with a really broad brush and just say some of that stuff could happen during a war involving fucking dragons and we shouldn't start down that path. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 2 hours ago, CreepingDeath said: This show is going to be like the Titans for me. I'm going to remain hesitant but then will get hyped just before it comes out. The F&B book was enjoyable, but there are plenty of "dialogue gaps" to be filled by the show writers. All the same, there are fewer moving pieces to juggle, so it should be more in line with other narratives. I'm curious as to their pacing of it. Are they going to stretch this thing out for 2-3 seasons? Or are they going to go the route of New Line Cinema and The Hobbit and cram it full of extra shit to drag it out? I bet you get a full season of setup (if not more) before the war even starts in earnest. Just characters and intrigue and relationships ... then the precipitating event and dominoes start falling and true, full chaos starts. Then a season or two of war, at least. There are a number of arms and legs and gives and takes to the war. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreepingDeath Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 44 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: I bet you get a full season of setup (if not more) before the war even starts in earnest. Just characters and intrigue and relationships ... then the precipitating event and dominoes start falling and true, full chaos starts. Then a season or two of war, at least. There are a number of arms and legs and gives and takes to the war. I would like that. My thoughts/concerns: They will need some "action" pieces to "wow" audiences. Off-hand, I can't remember any big action events in the story leading up the war itself. But, the early seasons of GoT did not have big action scenes until the Battle of Blackwater Bay, so perhaps my thinking is being skewed by the shittier story-telling late seasons. I am having a tough time imagining them allowing the war to drag out w/o resolution past a season. Again, I'd have to go back to see where they could do a season break that would provide some resolution while setting up the next story-arc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 3 hours ago, CreepingDeath said: I would like that. My thoughts/concerns: They will need some "action" pieces to "wow" audiences. Off-hand, I can't remember any big action events in the story leading up the war itself. But, the early seasons of GoT did not have big action scenes until the Battle of Blackwater Bay, so perhaps my thinking is being skewed by the shittier story-telling late seasons. I am having a tough time imagining them allowing the war to drag out w/o resolution past a season. Again, I'd have to go back to see where they could do a season break that would provide some resolution while setting up the next story-arc. My thought is you have the brother/uncle fighting battles and being dapper as the Lord of the sea or whatever, cement the kings opinion on things with some councils and introduce the players and the dalliances and fill with a tourney or an imagined uprising ... something to give perspective on how and why people are perceived as strong or conniving, etc. Give background on all the relationships that setup the sides people eventually take so that there's tension and obvious conflicts when all hell break loose. That's a whole season or more if they want it. As far as the war, there is a lot of intrigue and betrayal and planning and various battles mentioned. That stuff is super easy to stretch. You've gotta have setup for each, then battle, then show the emotive responses and how the battle impacts things. That book was written so dryly that it needs all sorts of details just to link from one thing to another. You've basically got bones and a few tendons. You need the muscle and the skin and the blood of the conflict. Lots to fill with and they can have some of the bigger battles or deaths as season enders. I can see a good 4 seasons without too much useless filler ... and there's always useless filler. CreepingDeath 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 With that said, if they somehow start with hell breaking loose ... that's a much shorter runway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 15 hours ago, titanruss said: Complete shit. Was ruined before. Nothing could save it. ... they destroyed it so bad I'd never want to get back into that world. Feels contrived already Where they actually wound up isn't necessarily bad. Everyone is piss drunk mad over what happened with Dany, and that's understandable. Everyone wants to shit all over Bran winding up the king, but that was actually about the only thing that made sense in the final season. They actually could have had everyone essentially wind up in the same geographical spot the show left them in and the ending would have been far, far better received had they 1) made Tyrion the Targaryen people thought he would be and 2) not killed Dany. #1 would have facilitated #2. Dany finding out that Tyrion is actually her brother... by her own hand, in that victorious (for her) setting... would have logically led to stopping her from going any further down her "mad queen" path. Tyrion... alive and Targaryan, but refuses the crown due to everyone hating the Lannisters (and Targaryens) Jon Snow... refuses a crown he never wanted or asked for, goes north of the wall by his own choosing and not by banishment. Daenerys... refuses the crown after realizing she would never have the same love, adulation, and acceptance as ruler that she had in Essos. Goes back to Essos, not in the claw of Drogon, but on the back of Drogon Arya... nothing changes for her. Sails west Bran... becomes king after Tyrion suggests he be chosen as king. "Would you accept being king?" "Why do you think I came all this way?" Also... instead of Jon Snow being trapped behind that infinity stone of a boulder the undead dragon was helpless to penetrate with his icy hot breath, they could have had him make his way over to Bran just after the Night King dispatched Theon. They could have had an epic sword fight there and had Jon fight a valiant battle before losing his sword (as he always did), and had that be the thing that gave Arya the opportunity to fly in like Batman to save the day. titanruss 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NashvilleNinja Posted May 8, 2022 Report Share Posted May 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Starkiller said: I wonder how many seasons we'll get of this. I don't imagine it'll be anywhere near the 8 we got from GOT. Well, 7.3 seasons anyway. 3? Maybe 4? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted May 8, 2022 Report Share Posted May 8, 2022 I know there's a lot more story in lore, pre-GOT, but I really do want to see where that world ends up with Bran on the throne for a couple decades and Arya out roaming the "Westeros Beyond". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-RAC Posted May 9, 2022 Report Share Posted May 9, 2022 Just based on this trailer, I'll be shocked if it gets a second season. pat 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted May 9, 2022 Report Share Posted May 9, 2022 1 hour ago, NashvilleNinja said: I wonder how many seasons we'll get of this. I don't imagine it'll be anywhere near the 8 we got from GOT. Well, 7.3 seasons anyway. 3? Maybe 4? I’m sure they can get at least 3 seasons worth of story out of a Targaryen civil war. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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