TitanDuckFan Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 1 hour ago, CaliTitan3518 said: Not to mention Bran just arrived at the wall. The question is does he tell anyone. I think he talks to Jon first. I don't see him blabbing about Jon without some level of consent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMax Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 12 hours ago, oldschool said: Come on, the link was from Forbes. Your ad blocker/white list comment was funny in a sad way. Whatever. I'll stop coming here as soon as I'm asked to white list the site so that my life can be enriched with more ads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 11 hours ago, Rogue said: I do think there might be something familiar she is trusting of. I've always felt Daenerys' quick acceptance of Tyrion was a bit strange. Pretty convenient. But welcome to the show. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 I'm no book elitist - as i'e never read them. but the last two episodes do seem contrived. situationally especially... but even the dialogue has seemed to take a different direction. there's more comedy relief and pandering to the fans. .. even the outfits look a little too updated. Jamalisms 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cenj Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 I totally agree with the Daenerys bit. She's totally unlikable to me, yet she's propped up like some great moral leader. She's shown to be terrible at actually leading and she's crazy vengeful and power-hungry. She's a villain in any other story, yet people follow her like she's proven something. She has dragons and is impervious to fire. People should be following her out of fear only. The Dothraki are basically following her because they think she's some godess. So fear and violent religious zealots. And career slave warriors. How is she not a villain? It just doesn't make any sense. Mercalius, and Jamalisms 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMax Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 25 minutes ago, cenj said: I totally agree with the Daenerys bit. She's totally unlikable to me, yet she's propped up like some great moral leader. She's shown to be terrible at actually leading and she's crazy vengeful and power-hungry. She's a villain in any other story, yet people follow her like she's proven something. She has dragons and is impervious to fire. People should be following her out of fear only. The Dothraki are basically following her because they think she's some godess. So fear and violent religious zealots. And career slave warriors. How is she not a villain? It just doesn't make any sense. It's because she's hot. Damn hot. And before any of you contrarian snobs try to tell me she's not.... just don't. Or I don't care if you have a fat wife and you have to pretend you like meaty women. You don't. Your secret is safe with me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, MadMax said: It's because she's hot. Damn hot. And before any of you contrarian snobs try to tell me she's not.... just don't. Or I don't care if you have a fat wife and you have to pretend you like meaty women. You don't. Your secret is safe with me. did your ad blocker tell you that? pat, and Jamalisms 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cenj Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, MadMax said: It's because she's hot. Damn hot. This really is the answer. Jorah being completely devoted to her has nothing to do with his belief in her leadership, he just wants to sleep with her. And she's supposed to be in her teens according to the book right? Still doesn't explain the Eunuch, who's devotion seems totally irrational, especially since in the show he believed in her before he'd even met her. Just bad writing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMax Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, oldschool said: did your ad blocker tell you that? my ad blocker actually instructed me to tell you to blow me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 24 minutes ago, MadMax said: my ad blocker actually instructed me to tell you to blow me. so no whitelist for me? I'm hurt. MadMax 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somedude Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 If you don't have adblocker..you're not practicing safe sex. pat 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanDuckFan Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 1 hour ago, cenj said: This really is the answer. Jorah being completely devoted to her has nothing to do with his belief in her leadership, he just wants to sleep with her. And she's supposed to be in her teens according to the book right? Still doesn't explain the Eunuch, who's devotion seems totally irrational, especially since in the show he believed in her before he'd even met her. Just bad writing. I think there's an anti-slave element to some of her follower's devotion. I'm pretty sure that's at the root of Varys' anyway, and Grey Worm's too. And that serves up the kind of dichotomy so popular with today's socially conscious story telling. That there's bad and good elements behind every leader's schemes. That some of the people behind even the most altruistic of visions can be monsters at their core. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 2 hours ago, cenj said: This really is the answer. Jorah being completely devoted to her has nothing to do with his belief in her leadership, he just wants to sleep with her. And she's supposed to be in her teens according to the book right? Still doesn't explain the Eunuch, who's devotion seems totally irrational, especially since in the show he believed in her before he'd even met her. Just bad writing. In the books Varys is involved in a plot to prop up a kid they say is Rhaegar's baby Aegon (the baby who's head the Mountain dashed against a wall) who was allegedly switched out to protect him before that all went down... and the goal is to have this kid (with a better claim than Dany) get married to Dany and be the King. Varys was previously propping up Dany's brother under the assumption he's like the Mad King and Aegon coming would look like a savior. Same general plot either way... to get this kid put on the throne. There's plenty of backstory as to why but that's the gist of it and it's entirely consistent and layered because it's good writing. That character was cut from the show, so Varys' character motivations are goofy. cenj 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cenj Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Jamalisms said: That character was cut from the show, so Varys' character motivations are goofy. Wow, that makes so much more sense. So that just confirms that the show writers don't really get some of these characters and that they are moving the plot along first, then worrying about motivation and logic second. For plot, they needed Tyrion to be her hand (and to get the hell out of King's Landing where he had become a useless character). They got him there through Varys and they then had to rationalize their support of her. If this was GRRM, I imagine he'd have Varys' attempt something behind her back and get murdered for it, then Tyrion would be just pandering to her to get Castlerly Rock (which he'd then use as his own stronghold as he planned some other way to get rid of her, after she removed Cersei). There's just no way they'd be behind her at this stage for anything other than survival and setting up future moves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 1 hour ago, cenj said: Wow, that makes so much more sense. So that just confirms that the show writers don't really get some of these characters and that they are moving the plot along first, then worrying about motivation and logic second. For plot, they needed Tyrion to be her hand (and to get the hell out of King's Landing where he had become a useless character). They got him there through Varys and they then had to rationalize their support of her. If this was GRRM, I imagine he'd have Varys' attempt something behind her back and get murdered for it, then Tyrion would be just pandering to her to get Castlerly Rock (which he'd then use as his own stronghold as he planned some other way to get rid of her, after she removed Cersei). There's just no way they'd be behind her at this stage for anything other than survival and setting up future moves. Varys snuck Tyrion out like in the show but he had Tyrion team up with this (likely fake) Aegon who was on his way to meet up with Dany and try to arrange the alliance. Tyrion was going to be an insider to impress Dany and help her. Tyrion then got captured by Jorah before they were both captured (show kept that) but instead of a fighting pit... they were sold into slavery to a rich guy taking part in the active siege of Mereen. Jorah is basically beaten daily because he refused to move or talk or obey, Tyrion tries to stay alive by joining a comedy act of riding a pig and jousting with another dwarf (this sounds absurd and it kind of is but the connection is that it's the same act that performed at Joff's wedding and the guy he's replacing was killed because people thought he was Tyrion). Eventually, just about everybody des of a flux disease that's sweeping through the camp and Tyrion makes an escape with Jorah and the other dwarf to join up with a mercenary company whose leader knows who he is. At that exact moment, Barristan (who is still alive but I imagine dies here) decides to charge from Mereen with an army he's been training and they're going to try to break the siege. Meanwhile Victarion (another uncle of Theon's) arrives with a massive fleet and... A magical horn that will supposedly give him control of dragons ... but there are warning signs it's not what he thinks. That's as far as we got in the books. We all assume Tyrion will get to Dany but there no guarantee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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