titanruss Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 (edited) 13 hours ago, Number9 said: https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/running-back-with-most-rushing-yards-since-2010 top rbs since 2010 https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14876/ryan-tannehill Look Tannehill stats after Henry was the RB. Look it's a team sport and all the players matter. If you put Jeff on the team, the QB will do better. The three people you never want to give credit for our best years since the 2000's. 2019, 2020, 2021 NFL AFC best record. HENRY VRABEL ROBINSON What's really sad, it started when we went on the run. 5-27 After Vrabel realized how to use Henry, Henry was averaging over 100 yards and 1+ TD per game before Tannehill. We've all seen how well he's down after and games since. Henry was every bit as successful from the beginning of his acreer too... they just didnt feed him the ball. They lost games because they took the ball out of his hands and expected a QB to lead. Tanehill was a cast off forgotten about QB before and after Henry. There's zero doubt who helped who more. Edited January 1 by titanruss Number9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 4 hours ago, OILERMAN said: If you were doing a draft and picking players that played for the Titans through history where do you think Henry would get drafted? Who are you drafting against? Its a shitty false premise. If you put every player in league history in a draft and needed to fill out 32 full rosters... Tannehill wouldn't even get drafted. He wouldnt even be an UDFA. Henry is likely a top 15 RB. Of course teams worry about the QB first in a passing league. That in zero way means tannehill is the better player nor even in the same stratosphere. It was simply the perfect situation for Tannehill. A perfect offense that fit. AJ brown that doesnt drop anything. And a simple system where he threw to his first read more than just about anyone in history. He sucked until his very short 1.5 seasons of top play here. Number9, and CreepingDeath 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted January 1 Author Report Share Posted January 1 If you had every Titans player in a pool for NFL GMs to draft from is the premise McNair/Tannehill are obviously the first two players picked Henry would be waiting a while Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 32 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: Top 3? You better expand that to way more... and I meant that simply played for the Titans like McNair and Tannehill. And it has bearing to what I said and have maintained. It doesn't. Henry has easily been the best player the Titans ever drafted. Simple as that. Mythos27, japan, titanruss, and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted January 1 Author Report Share Posted January 1 8 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: It doesn't. Henry has easily been the best player the Titans ever drafted. Simple as that. This is the ridiculousness I speak of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 5 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: This is the ridiculousness I speak of. What, that Henry is easily the best player for his position over his career? You keep adding positional value to the equation, which makes zero sense when discussing this with me. Number9, and titanruss 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreepingDeath Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 8 hours ago, OILERMAN said: But if you think Davis was anywhere close to as important as Elway you're retarded. This is where you and oldschool need to learn reading comprehension and stop changing the subject / moving the goalposts. Elway won shit all before T. Davis. That video clip has Elway thanking Davis for being on the team to bring balance to the offense. It's a team. And Elway was past his prime when he finally lucked into the right combination of players for his championship TEAMS. oldschool 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 4 hours ago, OILERMAN said: If you had every Titans player in a pool for NFL GMs to draft from is the premise McNair/Tannehill are obviously the first two players picked Henry would be waiting a while Anyone smart would pick McNair and not take another QB for a long while. If Henry is the first RB drafted, he'd go before the backup QB. Number9, Mythos27, IsntLifeFunny, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeFan Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 The whole NFL GM's scenario is too vague. So narrow it down. The 32 NFL GM's have to pick the starting 22 players out of players who have played for the Titans. Not Oilers. Tannehill might make some of the GM's team as starting over McNair. Henry would be on every team if they draft 2 RB's and probably 20+ of the single RB teams. titanruss 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 56 minutes ago, LongTimeFan said: The whole NFL GM's scenario is too vague. So narrow it down. The 32 NFL GM's have to pick the starting 22 players out of players who have played for the Titans. Not Oilers. Tannehill might make some of the GM's team as starting over McNair. Henry would be on every team if they draft 2 RB's and probably 20+ of the single RB teams. That version actually makes it more likely bad qbs go before henry. If you have 32 teams only picking from a pool of titans/oilers players and everyone needs a qb then you are going to have mariota going before henry out of necessity. Unless you rather have henry and rusty the rifle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 (edited) 8 hours ago, OILERMAN said: If you had every Titans player in a pool for NFL GMs to draft from is the premise McNair/Tannehill are obviously the first two players picked Henry would be waiting a while @OILERMAN you are one of my favs, but you need to shut down the Henry/RB hate. You are a smart guy. You googled average RB career length. 2.5 yrs. Some RB last 5-6 years, but start declining. You got your hands out and started counting. You were already after him, but you struck too soon. Then you started the Tomato Can Attack. Oops. Da King stomped all that bs flat. Now what? I look kinda dumb smashing up on a beloved Titan. "What is'm I gonna do?" Bingo! I'll start another thread claiming now I want him to get the all time rushing record, when just a day before you were calling him Tomato Can. You figured he has to slow down pdq, then you could pile shit on him until forever. WTF! He's still in the top 5 rushers. Lordy. Lordy. I'm conflicted. He's still going. At this point I look kinda dumb. One last way out! I'll compare him to all the players, RB, QB, WR, hell LB, EDGE, LS. Somebody is gotta get Da King. All this when all you had to say was say "I got this one wrong as Haiti attacking the US." Advice. Just say you were wrong. Wrong all along. Derrick is special. He's the first player drafted by your team, the Tennessee Titans going to the HOF. So just chill. Give the big man a break. Edited January 2 by Number9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted January 2 Author Report Share Posted January 2 5 hours ago, Number9 said: You are a smart guy. Agreed Number9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 1 minute ago, OILERMAN said: Agreed Damn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzTitan Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 So many different things being said here. Some people seem to be ignoring position value and others not. It's like two entirely different discussions overlaying. Henry doesn't need good QB play to have big games or great statistical seasons which is true of a lot of RBs in NFL history, but his team sure as hell needs one to have great seasons. It's the reason the Titans found success with the offensive focus they had on Henry. And to suggest an elite passing offense wouldn't have helped him is asinine. OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted January 2 Author Report Share Posted January 2 13 minutes ago, OzTitan said: Some people seem to be ignoring position value and others not. It's like two entirely different discussions overlaying. You have to ignore positional value if you're going to make Henry into some kind of superhero. Guys like David Stewart and Finnegan, to name just a few, are more important because of positional value. Then you also have to ignore the fact he's a two down player. He only plays about half the snaps. He's on the bench when the Ravens are in comeback mode or in the 2:00 offense trying to win the game. It's very common for Henry to not lead the team in snaps at his own position in a game. Foreman isn't easily replacing Barkley or McCaffery. He's also scheme and blocking dependent much more than most. when he doesn't get good blocking he becomes very mediocre. It's why Mitchell has a higher success rate. What Henry is is one of the best RBs when he gets to the 2nd level unblocked. Cosell said "he needs a pathway". When he gets a clean hole that he can get going through he's going to do more with that than most RBs ever. titanruss 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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