Derrick Henry's chase to the all time rushing record

[Jamalisms]

Henry isn't a plus catching the ball and isn't /has never been used in that way, nor as a blocker on 3rd down.

 

How bad you think he is and how much you tout this all as a meaningful offset to his obvious HOF resume is almost exclusively a game TR members play to amuse themselves.

 

Who actually gives a shit? Almost nobody, including most of the people arguing it.

[Callidus]

6 minutes ago, titanruss said:

we are talking g line 8-9 catches per year being the difference between a good receiving g back and absolute trash. 
 

it's a silly argument. 
 

the offense would be more effective if he was just left in the field. And  the catch rate being higher than most just means he need to be accounted for. 
 

His pass blocking is also better

than most 

 

so it goes back to coaches feelings. He doesn't fell like a back to have out there... so let's put a Dion Lewis in to look like a pass catcher but be significantly worse

Someone said is it a volume thing or what on why he had so many big ones. I said volume for sure and did the math.

 

His big plays are by far and away and outsized part of his yardage totals.

Edited December 18, 2025 by Callidus

[titanruss]

1 minute ago, Callidus said:

Someone said is it a volume thing or what on why he had so many big ones. I said volume for sure and did the math.

 

His big plays are by far and away and outsized part of his yardage totals.

sure but he's consistent with them. So more volume is more big play chances. 
 

Hitting more big plays are what separates good from great. They can also certainly be what elevates average to good. 
 

 

[Callidus]

11 minutes ago, titanruss said:

sure but he's consistent with them. So more volume is more big play chances. 
 

Hitting more big plays are what separates good from great. They can also certainly be what elevates average to good. 
 

 

1 20+ yard play every 15 catches is great and all but if your volume is as low as 1.25 per game its nice but not game changing ability. 

 

Could he hit more if he got more touches? Sure. Would he do it as often? Unlikely. The limited catches seem to be a sweet spot for him and thats fine, its just not really part of his game and force feeding him screens wouldn't be a good idea imo. 

[titanruss]

3 hours ago, Callidus said:

1 20+ yard play every 15 catches is great and all but if your volume is as low as 1.25 per game its nice but not game changing ability. 

 

Could he hit more if he got more touches? Sure. Would he do it as often? Unlikely. The limited catches seem to be a sweet spot for him and thats fine, its just not really part of his game and force feeding him screens wouldn't be a good idea imo. 

 

But thats just an untrue exaggeration though. He's closer to a 50 yard reception every 10 and being successful on 4-5 more out of the remaining 9

 

Henry has a 52% success rate on passes for his career. Marshall Faulk only surpassed that mark in 4 /12 seasons. No, before the retards get in here, I'm not saying he's a better receiving back than Faulk. But it should put some perspective on the perception.

 

Anything above 45% is considered good.  Above 50% success rate is considered elite. 

 

Edited December 18, 2025 by titanruss

[Callidus]

1 hour ago, titanruss said:

 

But thats just an untrue exaggeration though. He's closer to a 50 yard reception every 10 and being successful on 4-5 more out of the remaining 9

 

Henry has a 52% success rate on passes for his career. Marshall Faulk only surpassed that mark in 4 /12 seasons. No, before the retards get in here, I'm not saying he's a better receiving back than Faulk. But it should put some perspective on the perception.

 

Anything above 45% is considered good.  Above 50% success rate is considered elite. 

 

I seriously doubt henry has 12 or 13 50+ yard catches.  His longest catch per year only ecipled 50 yards 4 times. 

[OILERMAN]

6 hours ago, rns90 said:

 all  the coaches that he has had in the pros (HC and OC) have all taken him off the field on third down.  

 

Exactly. He doesn't play on passing downs. Why is their a debate? 

 

If he was good in passing situations he would play in passing situations 

[rns90]

2 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

 

Exactly. He doesn't play on passing downs. Why is their a debate? 

 

If he was good in passing situations he would play in passing situations 

I’m not sure .  You got people here arguing that he’s a good pass catcher even though he never plays in passing situations and always gets the same amount of catchers every year.

[titanruss]

4 hours ago, Callidus said:

I seriously doubt henry has 12 or 13 50+ yard catches.  His longest catch per year only ecipled 50 yards 4 times. 

 

Then that hurts your point even more. 

 

His success rate and overall average per catch goes up when he isnt breaking long runs. 

 

His average is 9.5 and success rate is 52%+

So pick your argument. 

Edited December 19, 2025 by titanruss

[titanruss]

3 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

 

Exactly. He doesn't play on passing downs. Why is their a debate? 

 

If he was good in passing situations he would play in passing situations 

 

If he was good at running the ball... Mularkey would have played him more!. 

 

Coaches are dumb sometimes and stick with prototypical rather than what is actually working. 

[Callidus]

14 minutes ago, titanruss said:

 

Then that hurts your point even more. 

 

His success rate and overall average per catch goes up when he isnt breaking long runs. 

 

His average is 9.5 and success rate is 52%+

So pick your argument. 

My argument is 1 catch per game and a 1 long catch a year is not worth talking about. 

 

He catches 1 pass for a first down every 2 weeks? Woopty fucking do lol

[rns90]

41 minutes ago, Callidus said:

My argument is 1 catch per game and a 1 long catch a year is not worth talking about. 

 

He catches 1 pass for a first down every 2 weeks? Woopty fucking do lol

Some of the logical leaps here to defend his “pass catching ability” is pretty hilarious at this point.

 

Like he were this above avg pass catcher why is Bal not using him more in the passing situations.  

[OILERMAN]

6 hours ago, rns90 said:

Some of the logical leaps here to defend his “pass catching ability” is pretty hilarious at this point.  

 

Or Jamal pretending no one cares

[Mythos27]

19 hours ago, rns90 said:

The point isn’t that RB aren’t contributors . It’s that he isn’t really a threat at all.  Even if you want to argue that they are just outlet receivers, Henry doesn’t really give you that dimension and it limits the offense because you know you don’t have to account for it.

It only matters when you are trying to compare him to guys who can catch the ball.

 

Except Henry does very well as an outlet receiver. He catches the ball and almost always gets extra yards by eluding defender, breaking a tackle, or generally outrunning them. The idea that he he can't do this despite plenty of evidence is frankly bullshit and proof you guys see what you want to see and nothing else. And the fact that RBs aren't generally big contributors in the passing game is extremely relevant because it highlights just how disproportionate the amount of focus you guys put on it is and shows why you do it. You don't talk about it because it's so immensely important; you focus on it because it's a relative area of weakness that you can attack him for. That's all it's ever been about. 

[Mythos27]

19 hours ago, rns90 said:

This is more of a question and maybe an observation but I just don’t think he has the skill.

Sometimes on non screen passes unless he catches in stride, he sort of stops and has to start again.  This is related to the discusssion of the build up speed that has been talked about .  That’s probably the best I can explain it.

 

I mean he’s not to be catching and going like other RB.

He doesn't look the most fluid when doing these things. No one has ever argued the opposite. The argument is that if you can look past the superficial aesthetics and see what he actually produces you realize he does way better than you think. People inexplicably dismiss the fact that the dude can take a screen pass to the house from 60 yards out and put 6 on the board in a flash while glorifying a 12 yard angle route because the guy "looked smooth" doing it. It's frankly shallow thinking.