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17 minutes ago, TerryBoats said:

Ahh, yes.  The beautiful Democrat infrastructure that the rest of the world aspires to.

 

 

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I love when you guys self-own.. thats the USA, Terry. 

Also has zero to do with European city planning/infrastructure or it being more developed for like 2000 years.

 

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Wild how half the same people in the states that road rage like babies and hate their commutes also think public transit is a nuisance. They scoff at the idea of gettng a faster transit time while also being able to chill/read/decompress/play phonegames/work instead of being glued to the road.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, titanruss said:

Wild how half the same people in the states that road rage like babies and hate their commutes also think public transit is a nuisance. They scoff at the idea of gettng a faster transit time while also being able to chill/read/decompress/play phonegames/work instead of being glued to the road.

 

 

That just never made any sense to me.  If your want your life to be better /less stressful why wouldn’t you opt for the public transit option.

 

Think the Europeans got us beat on that too.

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1 minute ago, rns90 said:

That just never made any sense to me.  If your want your life to be better /less stressful why wouldn’t you opt for the public transit option.

 

Think the Europeans got us beat on that too.

 

Because their side believes everything the billionaires sell them and they have zero ability to process change or complex thought.

 

"You cant have freedom without a car! Gas is what makes us great! Public transit is dangerous, leaded gas is good, how dare you make me buckle up, how dare they stop me drinking booze on the way home from a long days' work!" 

 

These were all real and legit arguments.

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, titanruss said:

 

Because their side believes everything the billionaires sell them and they have zero ability to process change or complex thought.

 

"You cant have freedom without a car! Gas is what makes us great! Public transit is dangerous, leaded gas is good, how dare you make me buckle up, how dare they stop me drinking booze on the way home from a long days' work!" 

 

These were all real and legit arguments.

 

 

 

Yeah this would be funny if this weren’t all true.  And I guess in the last 10 years or so we’ve learned that people are dumber than you think and there are a lot of idiots out there.

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26 minutes ago, titanruss said:

 

I love when you guys self-own.. thats the USA, Terry. 

Also has zero to do with European city planning/infrastructure or it being more developed for like 2000 years.

 

It's Oakland, CA.  You can see which party runs that lovely place.  It had nothing to do with Europe, but your generalizations about American politics and what people "vote for" vs. what they actually get.  

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This is too simplistic of an argument.  Depends on where you live and what options are available.  If I need to go downtown, I can drive 15 minutes to a train station to park, ride for 30 minutes on the train, walk 10 minutes to the office.....and do the same on the return.  That said, trains here don't run 24/7.....

 

Urban living generally allows for public transit.  Suburbs just doesn't in most metro areas.

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On 4/24/2025 at 1:38 PM, rns90 said:

Yeah this would be funny if this weren’t all true.  And I guess in the last 10 years or so we’ve learned that people are dumber than you think and there are a lot of idiots out there.

 

I was in Lebanon today. The only commuter transit train in Middle TN is the star train. Goes to downtown Nashville from Lebanon. Guy I was talking to was complaining about the train. Made him stop at crossings, slow.. just hated it.

 

Turns out he'd never ridden it and had driven back and forth from home to downtown for work 5-6 days a week for like 40 years. Coulda gotten there as fast or quicker and cheaper on the train while doing something instead of sitting and bitching about the train every morning.

 

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Just now, TerryBoats said:

It's Oakland, CA.  You can see which party runs that lovely place.  It had nothing to do with Europe, but your generalizations about American politics and what people "vote for" vs. what they actually get.  

 

I can also show you giant homeless communities all over the USA red state, blue state  - dont matter.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

This is too simplistic of an argument.  Depends on where you live and what options are available.  If I need to go downtown, I can drive 15 minutes to a train station to park, ride for 30 minutes on the train, walk 10 minutes to the office.....and do the same on the return.  That said, trains here don't run 24/7.....

 

Urban living generally allows for public transit.  Suburbs just doesn't in most metro areas.

 

Pretty much everywhere in europe / asia you can take a bus to a train. Never have to walk more than a couple hundred yards. Sure, there are some middle of nowhere areas that dont get service.

 

Here it's purely a refusal of infrastructure, often for baseless reasoning.

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1 minute ago, titanruss said:

 

Pretty much everywhere in europe / asia you can take a bus to a train. Never have to walk more than a couple hundred yards. Sure, there are some middle of nowhere areas that dont get service.

 

Here it's purely a refusal of infrastructure, often for baseless reasoning.

Much more densely populated though.....for the most part.

 

If I have to take a bus to catch the train....Add on another 20-30 minutes and all of the sudden I have a 1.5 hour commute each way. 

 

The whole suburbia issue is something other places don't have en mass like we do.

 

On top of it, the complete inadequacy of federal, state, and local governments to complete infrastructure projects is a massive problem.....even if approved they have a ton of red tape to eat up money, always over budget on cost and timelines, etc.

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6 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

This is too simplistic of an argument.  Depends on where you live and what options are available.  If I need to go downtown, I can drive 15 minutes to a train station to park, ride for 30 minutes on the train, walk 10 minutes to the office.....and do the same on the return.  That said, trains here don't run 24/7.....

 

Urban living generally allows for public transit.  Suburbs just doesn't in most metro areas.

More people can afford vehicles in the US vs the Europoors.  Eating scones and crumpets on public transit is not a lifestyle that people choose.

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As someone who has lived

in Europe for almost a decade, its an absolute lie that you can get public transportation anywhere or that the infrastructure is better than the US. Most of Europe WISHES they had public roads as good as we have in most places in the US.

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Just now, BudsOilers said:

Much more densely populated though.....for the most part.

 

If I have to take a bus to catch the train....Add on another 20-30 minutes and all of the sudden I have a 1.5 hour commute each way. 

 

The whole suburbia issue is something other places don't have en mass like we do.

 

On top of it, the complete inadequacy of federal, state, and local governments to complete infrastructure projects is a massive problem.....even if approved they have a ton of red tape to eat up money, always over budget on cost and timelines, etc.

 

Which was the point of the argument before Terry went weird tangent.

 

Europe has had much more development time... but they also connect intentionally.  In China, they would would build new developments and simply create new bus lines.

 

Either place, when they do a census, they add/decrease transit relevant to the increase/decrease in population.

 

Here, when you try and add transit, you have people picketing against their own interests to stop it.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Justafan said:

As someone who has lived

in Europe for almost a decade, its an absolute lie that you can get public transportation anywhere or that the infrastructure is better than the US. Most of Europe WISHES they had public roads as good as we have in most places in the US.

 

*most anywhere... not anywhere.

 

we are talking about the need for trains.. not bragging on our road quality...

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