Wyatt: Carthon Fired

[oldschool]

2 hours ago, Justafan said:

Woke up this morning expecting to see some news about coaching moves as the Friday news dump hit. How in the hell does Colt Anderson still have a job? 

 

Maybe because his unit showed vast improvement the last 6 weeks after they got some real special teams guys ans jettisoned the fumbling returner in Jackson? Coverage units got better, penalties dropped, and even stonehouse started getting more hang time and being better with directional punts.

[Justafan]

Just now, oldschool said:

 

Maybe because his unit showed vast improvement the last 6 weeks after they got some real special teams guys ans jettisoned the fumbling returner in Jackson? Coverage units got better, penalties dropped, and even stonehouse started getting more hang time and being better with directional punts.

The dude was a complete disaster for 11 weeks of the season. Historically bad. If you want to blame that on personnel, that's fine, but I don't see how anyone can look at the coverage units and punt block units and say it was just Jackson and a couple of back-end roster guys holding back STs. At some point, if everyone on the unit is incompetent, they had an entire offseason to recognize that and do something about it. 

[oldschool]

1 minute ago, Justafan said:

The dude was a complete disaster for 11 weeks of the season. Historically bad. If you want to blame that on personnel, that's fine, but I don't see how anyone can look at the coverage units and punt block units and say it was just Jackson and a couple of back-end roster guys holding back STs. At some point, if everyone on the unit is incompetent, they had an entire offseason to recognize that and do something about it. 

 

It was real bad to start but the entire unit showed tons of improvement and 6 weeks is a long stretch of the season, especially to end the season. Wouldn't surprise me if he saved his job.

[Justafan]

6 minutes ago, oldschool said:

 

It was real bad to start but the entire unit showed tons of improvement and 6 weeks is a long stretch of the season, especially to end the season. Wouldn't surprise me if he saved his job.

Over the last 6 weeks of the season, they were still allowing long returns, including an 80-yard return by Pierce, and they still had spotty tackling and missed assignments all year. You say it was greatly improved, but I don't see that. I think it got marginally better, but it was still bottom of the league. Certainly not promising enough to justify keeping a lousy coach. 

Edited January 11, 2025 by Justafan

[scine09]

52 minutes ago, Justafan said:

Over the last 6 weeks of the season, they were still allowing long returns, including an 80-yard return by Pierce, and they still had spotty tackling and missed assignments all year. You say it was greatly improved, but I don't see that. I think it got marginally better, but it was still bottom of the league. Certainly not promising enough to justify keeping a lousy coach. 

The last six weeks definitely wasn’t bottom of the league in special teams play.  It actually became fairly solid.  There’s no reason to fire a coach if his unit improved the way it did.  

[Justafan]

5 minutes ago, scine09 said:

The last six weeks definitely wasn’t bottom of the league in special teams play.  It actually became fairly solid.  There’s no reason to fire a coach if his unit improved the way it did.  

They were 31st in the league on kickoff returns with 27 yards per return allowed. 

[scine09]

6 minutes ago, Justafan said:

They were 31st in the league on kickoff returns with 27 yards per return allowed. 

I am talking about the last six weeks.  From the Washington game to the second Houston game.  I know the numbers stunk overall.  But I would not fire him as things improved.  He was a first time coach who didn’t have the players and they fixed the problems that plagued them early with the punt blocks and returns.  I am not a fan of firing people, particularly after their first year, unless things are bad and not improving.  I think had the improvement after the first Houston game not taken place I’d feel differently.

[OILERMAN]

Honestly Carthon had a lot to do with the STs struggles early on. He bypassed keeping bottom roster guys who were good at STs for positional players. Chesnutt over Haskins for example

[Justafan]

38 minutes ago, scine09 said:

I am talking about the last six weeks.  From the Washington game to the second Houston game.  I know the numbers stunk overall.  But I would not fire him as things improved.  He was a first time coach who didn’t have the players and they fixed the problems that plagued them early with the punt blocks and returns.  I am not a fan of firing people, particularly after their first year, unless things are bad and not improving.  I think had the improvement after the first Houston game not taken place I’d feel differently.

Lol. That is the last 6 weeks. They improved on punt return coverage, but their kick return coverage was still awful, and it's the one that matters. 

[scine09]

Just now, Justafan said:

Lol. That is the last 6 weeks. They improved on punt return coverage, but their kick return coverage was still awful, and it's the one that matters. 

No it wasn’t.  The Pierce return you referenced was in week 12.  I was referring to the last six weeks when the numbers across the board were good.

[Justafan]

13 minutes ago, scine09 said:

No it wasn’t.  The Pierce return you referenced was in week 12.  I was referring to the last six weeks when the numbers across the board were good.

Okay, you subtract a week to ignore one of the worst coverage performances of the season? That's what you're going to hang your hat on to prove your point? Okay.  

 

It still doesn't change the fact that this idea that the STs unit were actually good the last part of the season is pure fantasy. It's simply not true. 

Edited January 11, 2025 by Justafan

[oldschool]

13 minutes ago, scine09 said:

No it wasn’t.  The Pierce return you referenced was in week 12.  I was referring to the last six weeks when the numbers across the board were good.

 

You can't win with some of these dudes. One bad return over 6 weeks doesnt negate the obvious improvements in coverage overall.

[Justafan]

Just now, oldschool said:

 

You can't win with some of these dudes. One bad return over 6 weeks doesnt negate the obvious improvements in coverage overall.

It wasn't just one bad return, though, was it? This whole argument is just disingenuous.

[oldschool]

1 minute ago, Justafan said:

It wasn't just one bad return, though, was it? This whole argument is just disingenuous.

 

It's really not. STs improved dramatically over the last 6 weeks. Go watch the games.

[Justafan]

Just now, oldschool said:

 

It's really not. STs improved dramatically over the last 6 weeks. Go watch the games.

They gave up a 30 yard return against the Bengals, they gave up FOUR 30+ yard returns against the Colts, a 32 and 31 yard return against the Jags, and a 32 and a 34 yarder against the Texans. The numbers are terrible.

 

YOU go watch the games dummy.