BudsOilers Posted March 16 Report Share Posted March 16 1 minute ago, IsntLifeFunny said: I don't really see anyone saying anything differently. What is your reference point? The claim that people are attacking Ward. No they aren't. It's legitimately hard to find a prospect viewed like Ward is going #1 overall. It's a massive risk that he'll be an elite QB and that what the expectation for a #1 overall pick is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted March 16 Report Share Posted March 16 1 minute ago, BudsOilers said: And @AussieTitanFan08 is 100% correct that it's a rebuild and that their best way to build a sustainable contender is to build through the draft and that requires more picks. No pick will do that more so that the #1 overall pick. Now odds are that they will have a top 5 pick next year so there's always a chance they can punt the trade down for a haul until next year. Who is your available choice for starting QB in 2025,? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted March 16 Report Share Posted March 16 3 minutes ago, BudsOilers said: The view of people attacking Ward is a BS stance. It's a fact that as a prospect he's not viewed anywhere near who would be a normal #1 overall pick. He's small. Inconsistent accuracy/lazy mechanics. Questionable decision making under pressure. Average at anticipatory throws. I mean Levis has these issues aside from the size part. Proponents can point to Mahomes as a best cast comp. Problem is you can point to a bunch more of guys that range from mid plus to flat out busts with a similar set of issues. One thing lost in the discussion by the Ward group that for being a #1 overall pick, he HAS TO BE GREAT. If he's not unquestionably the best QB in franchise history (better than McNair, Moon, or Tannehill level play), it's a botched use of the draft capital and an overdraft. He'll have through 2026, assuming he's the pick, the prove he's worthy or not. I did find some of the Mahomes comparisons laughable. Taking the half full approach, at least the mechanics part I think Callahan can at least help him on that aspect. The decision making (ie mental stuff) is the big question mark. The other part is that the previous 2 GMs left the talent level in such a bad state along with needing a qb that they kind of had to pick one option with the first pick ( qb or trade down). IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted March 16 Report Share Posted March 16 1 minute ago, BudsOilers said: The claim that people are attacking Ward. No they aren't. It's legitimately hard to find a prospect viewed like Ward is going #1 overall. It's a massive risk that he'll be an elite QB and that what the expectation for a #1 overall pick is. I guess I just haven't really seen it. I'm team Ward the whole way and know he's a projection. The only thing I do see people saying is it doesn't overly matter what Ward is because we don't have a QB on the roster. If someone wants him they're going to have to overpay and we are at least getting a first next year. FireInTheHole 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted March 16 Report Share Posted March 16 23 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: Assuming the Titans accepted a trade down they would start some combo of Levis/Allen and a QB drafted later in this year's draft. I'm not asking what will happen. I'm asking who posters want if it's not Ward. Simple question, but being consistently evaded. AvgJoe 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted March 16 Report Share Posted March 16 1 minute ago, rns90 said: I did find some of the Mahomes comparisons laughable. Taking the half full approach, at least the mechanics part I think Callahan can at least help him on that aspect. The decision making (ie mental stuff) is the big question mark. The other part is that the previous 2 GMs left the talent level in such a bad state along with needing a qb that they kind of had to pick one option with the first pick ( qb or trade down). The more Ive watched the Baker Mayfield comp makes a ton of sense, which is fine by me as long as it doesn't take him past his first contract like Baker to hit. You can contend for a SB with Mayfield. I think it's a solid compromise of a comp between Mahomes and say Kyler Murray. He's a much better prospect than Murray but doesn't have the gumby cannon Mahomes has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post flaming_thumbtack Posted March 16 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 16 3 hours ago, AussieTitanFan08 said: Apparently this is a multi-year rebuild so why does the QB absolutely have to come first. And yes if the appropriate offer was on the table I personally would choose to trade down and in that world I would not of sat on my hands as QB after QB was taken off the FA market. For me, it's not that QB needs to come first, it's that we are currently in a better position to acquire a QB than you could reasonably expect to be again in the near future. When you start playing the pick accumulation/draft a QB next year game, you invite a lot of unknowns into the equation. You don't know what QBs will declare, how good the top end of the QB class will be, how deep the top end of the QB class will be, where you will be picking, what the QB needs for the teams at the top of the draft are, the willingness of the top of the draft teams to trade, etc. I agree that if it were an ideal world, you'd have a perfect infrastructure in place before taking a QB, but by the time we get that level of infrastructure, we may never again find ourselves in a position where a top 2-3 QB in a draft is an option for us. I think that what we have done this offseason so far points to us having enough of a supporting cast that we wouldn't stunt a QB's development. When you take a QB anywhere in the draft, the odds are against them succeeding, but the odds are the best when you have your pick of the litter, so there is really no better time than when you have that opportunity. Mercalius, IsntLifeFunny, GLinks, and 3 others 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted March 16 Report Share Posted March 16 Just now, ctm said: Who is your available choice for starting QB in 2025,? As of today? I'd probably go Russ if he gets boxed out of other spots. Maybe add Wentz to the mix and let them compete with Levis and Allen. Personally I have no problem if there was a legit competition and Levis won. I'd have my doubts on how good that could be but this team will likely be awful at WR and Edge and while Tackle play should be improved/servicable, it's not like they have Philly's line...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted March 16 Report Share Posted March 16 Just now, IsntLifeFunny said: The more Ive watched the Baker Mayfield comp makes a ton of sense, which is fine by me as long as it doesn't take him past his first contract like Baker to hit. You can contend for a SB with Mayfield. I think it's a solid compromise of a comp between Mahomes and say Kyler Murray. He's a much better prospect than Murray but doesn't have the gumby cannon Mahomes has. I haven’t watched him extensively but there are less WTF plays with Ward than Mayfield but I don’t think he’s as good a runner as Mayfield. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted March 16 Report Share Posted March 16 4 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: I guess I just haven't really seen it. I'm team Ward the whole way and know he's a projection. The only thing I do see people saying is it doesn't overly matter what Ward is because we don't have a QB on the roster. If someone wants him they're going to have to overpay and we are at least getting a first next year. The "it doesn't matter what Ward is" is the most retarded stance one could have. He's the number one overall pick. It very much matters. If he's not an elite QB, it's a massive failure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercalius Posted March 16 Report Share Posted March 16 4 minutes ago, flaming_thumbtack said: For me, it's not that QB needs to come first, it's that we are currently in a better position to acquire a QB than you could reasonably expect to be again in the near future. When you start playing the pick accumulation/draft a QB next year game, you invite a lot of unknowns into the equation. You don't know what QBs will declare, how good the top end of the QB class will be, how deep the top end of the QB class will be, where you will be picking, what the QB needs for the teams at the top of the draft are, the willingness of the top of the draft teams to trade, etc. I agree that if it were an ideal world, you'd have a perfect infrastructure in place before taking a QB, but by the time we get that level of infrastructure, we may never again find ourselves in a position where a top 2-3 QB in a draft is an option for us. I think that what we have done this offseason so far points to us having enough of a supporting cast that we wouldn't stunt a QB's development. When you take a QB anywhere in the draft, the odds are against them succeeding, but the odds are the best when you have your pick of the litter, so there is really no better time than when you have that opportunity. Preach Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted March 16 Report Share Posted March 16 3 minutes ago, BudsOilers said: The "it doesn't matter what Ward is" is the most retarded stance one could have. He's the number one overall pick. It very much matters. If he's not an elite QB, it's a massive failure. I'm talking from the standpoint of saying the Giants would have to send less of a premium because he's a projection. Keep up oldie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted March 16 Report Share Posted March 16 4 minutes ago, rns90 said: I haven’t watched him extensively but there are less WTF plays with Ward than Mayfield but I don’t think he’s as good a runner as Mayfield. They scramble really similar and have similar type arms. Baker's is a bit better but he doesn't have the off-platform throws like Ward. The way they move in the pocket and line up their throws is very similar and they're both very similar attacking defenses second level ruthlessly regardless of the circumstance. Both could stand to back down a bit in that case, but Ward really couldn't at Miami or Washington because his defense was just dog shit. We'll see how that translates in the pros when you are milking an 11 point lead late in the 4th. rns90 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted March 16 Report Share Posted March 16 6 minutes ago, BudsOilers said: As of today? I'd probably go Russ if he gets boxed out of other spots. Maybe add Wentz to the mix and let them compete with Levis and Allen. Personally I have no problem if there was a legit competition and Levis won. I'd have my doubts on how good that could be but this team will likely be awful at WR and Edge and while Tackle play should be improved/servicable, it's not like they have Philly's line...... Well, unlike some others, at least you named a preference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvgJoe Posted March 16 Report Share Posted March 16 (edited) People are entitled to prefer a trade down for additional picks. But if that’s your stance, what’s your reaction going to be when we use your beloved additional picks acquired to trade up for a questionable Drew Allar or insert QB2 name next year? Edited March 16 by AvgJoe IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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