Titans vs Vikings Week 11 Game Day Thread

[IowaOiler]

8 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

 

The truth is that each crew officiates differently and that's an ongoing problem but one that won't get fixed.  Blakeman's crew throws lots of penalties.  Rather than have the HC cry about it, he and the team should be teaching the correct technique within the rules and scouting the officials to prepare the players for the Sunday game.  

 

That all said, the illegal formation calls were legit based on the rule.  The rule is that an offensive lineman's helmet must be even with his center's waist by rule.  If you look at Prince, he's too upright on the one's where the penalty was called and more in a traditional stance.   

 

Here's Prince on the Ridley TD pass that was overturned.  

 

 

Here's Prince on the next play to Oliver where he was legal.  Prince more bent forward and his helmet is even with Radunz.

 

 

Brownlee did contact him past 5 yards.  LOS was the TEN 41.  He's clearly engaged with him beyond the 5 yards (which would be the 36 yard line).

 

 

On the 4th down offsides against Sweat, he was definitely offsides.

 

 

 

While your deep-throating NFL officiating, what is your defense of the consistent calls that favor certain teams?  

[BudsOilers]

11 minutes ago, IowaOiler said:

 

 

While your deep-throating NFL officiating, what is your defense of the consistent calls that favor certain teams?  

Hardly deep throating anything.  Crying about inconsistent officiating is a waste of effort.  It's not going to be fixed or they would have done it years ago.  In addition, I'm not going to cry about getting called on penalties that were in fact penalties.

 

If you think the league is fixed, don't watch it.

 

 

[Callidus]

19 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

 

The truth is that each crew officiates differently and that's an ongoing problem but one that won't get fixed.  Blakeman's crew throws lots of penalties.  Rather than have the HC cry about it, he and the team should be teaching the correct technique within the rules and scouting the officials to prepare the players for the Sunday game.  

 

That all said, the illegal formation calls were legit based on the rule.  The rule is that an offensive lineman's helmet must be even with his center's waist by rule.  If you look at Prince, he's too upright on the one's where the penalty was called and more in a traditional stance.   

 

Here's Prince on the Ridley TD pass that was overturned.  

 

 

Here's Prince on the next play to Oliver where he was legal.  Prince more bent forward and his helmet is even with Radunz.

 

 

Brownlee did contact him past 5 yards.  LOS was the TEN 41.  He's clearly engaged with him beyond the 5 yards (which would be the 36 yard line).

 

 

On the 4th down offsides against Sweat, he was definitely offsides.

 

I was talking a out the other brownlee play, i think i even said I agreed with the one you were talking about in the game thread.

 

As for the illegal formations. My problem is perfectly visible in your second pic, latham is clearly to far back on that one but he wasnt called. Which is why they felt arbitray. 

 

And there is no arguing that sweat lined up ofside, but he leans back in his stance right before the snap. That happens all the time. 

 

Btw great job on screen caping all of these. While I still may not agree with some of the calls you definitely did your research and its more than most would ever do. 

[BudsOilers]

Just now, Callidus said:

I was talking a out the other brownlee play, i think i even said I agreed with the one you were talking about in the game thread.

 

As for the illegal formations. My problem is perfectly visible in your second pic, latham is clearly to far back on that one but he wasnt called. Which is why they felt arbitray. 

 

And there is no arguing that sweat lined up ofside, but he leans back in his stance right before the snap. That happens all the time. 

 

Btw great job on screen caping all of these. While I still may not agree with some of the calls you definitely did your research and its more than most would ever do. 

Watch where Latham's head is and that's the key part of this.  Now he's a mammoth guy so he probably has some leeway about depth but he's in a stance whereas Prince is more upright.

 

 

[BudsOilers]

The bigger issue to me is the HC not acknowledging the penalties and fixing it going forward.  I also have real doubts they are doing a good job scouting the officiating crews ahead of time to prepare the players during the week - i.e. this guy is a stickler for this penalty.

 

Nepo coach seems to want to play victim to much for my taste.  

[Callidus]

18 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

The bigger issue to me is the HC not acknowledging the penalties and fixing it going forward.  I also have real doubts they are doing a good job scouting the officiating crews ahead of time to prepare the players during the week - i.e. this guy is a stickler for this penalty.

 

Nepo coach seems to want to play victim to much for my taste.  

I still think he is a bit to far back, but i get it. Like I mentioned in another post with the camera likely at the 50 and pointing a little to the left its hard to tell because the father you get away from the camera the more pronounced any deviation will look. 

[Mythos27]

13 hours ago, Callidus said:

I wont argue the illegal formations because I doubt the nfl even know a what they are...

 

The brownlee one was just shy of as texbook as the endzone hit. He was playing the ball and while there was some hand fighting he was pushed before he made the play.

 

The offsides was beyond insane unless they have a view I havent seen yet(and why dont they show them if they have them?). 

 

The james williams penalty literally happened later in the game by the vikings and they didnt call it which would have been correct. 

 

 

Im not some crazy fan, i have more than a dozen times said they made the rught call againsr us, I did it two or 3 times in the exact game we are talking about. 

 

The refs were fucking terrible case closed. 

Right on. I'm not a "blame the refs" guy but the refs certainly fucked us enough that it "felt" intentional even though no one reasonable actually thinks it was. 

[Fry]

31 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

Watch where Latham's head is and that's the key part of this.  Now he's a mammoth guy so he probably has some leeway about depth but he's in a stance whereas Prince is more upright.

 

 

Both guys being so far back after the first one is the bigger issue. 
 

I don’t have a problem trying to get an advantage by trying to be as far back as possible without getting a penalty. You have to adjust after the first penalty though. 
 

No different than balls and strikes or basketball officials calling tight fouls. Make an adjustment as the game goes on. 

[Mythos27]

2 minutes ago, Fry said:

Both guys being so far back after the first one is the bigger issue. 
 

I don’t have a problem trying to get an advantage by trying to be as far back as possible without getting a penalty. You have to adjust after the first penalty though. 
 

No different than balls and strikes or basketball officials calling tight fouls. Make an adjustment as the game goes on. 

The one I hated the most was the clean hit in the end zone. It's fucking impossible to play defense in this league by design. 

[Callidus]

2 minutes ago, Fry said:

Both guys being so far back after the first one is the bigger issue. 
 

I don’t have a problem trying to get an advantage by trying to be as far back as possible without getting a penalty. You have to adjust after the first penalty though. 
 

No different than balls and strikes or basketball officials calling tight fouls. Make an adjustment as the game goes on. 

Callahan said they talked about it after the first one. Not sure how much more the coach can do. He could sit him after the 2nd one but with our RT situation we didnt have much choice but to play him. NPF was a disaster when playing again. 

[BudsOilers]

The fact they are being coached to push the limit of legality isn't great.   It's also hard to give Callahan a pass when RT has been a disaster all year long....

[BudsOilers]

4 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

The one I hated the most was the clean hit in the end zone. It's fucking impossible to play defense in this league by design. 

Absolutely.  That said, I see that get called across the league so I wasn't surprised.  The easy fix (which they won't probably do) is to make that reviewable like they do in college for targeting fouls.

[Callidus]

2 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

Absolutely.  That said, I see that get called across the league so I wasn't surprised.  The easy fix (which they won't probably do) is to make that reviewable like they do in college for targeting fouls.

The nfl has a phycopath's mentality when it comes to not going counter to the refs. They tried to add being able to challenge PI and they immediately gave up on it. 

[Fry]

12 minutes ago, Callidus said:

Callahan said they talked about it after the first one. Not sure how much more the coach can do. He could sit him after the 2nd one but with our RT situation we didnt have much choice but to play him. NPF was a disaster when playing again. 

He did sit him after the 2nd one. NPF came in and got whipped. Prince went back in after the NPF series and got a third one. Lol. 
 

It’s a disaster over there. 

[Yoshimitsu]

The first Brownlee penalty I don’t agree with at all.  Jefferson initiated the contact and Brownlee was actually playing the ball.  The second penalty was definitely beyond the five yard mark.  I don’t love the idea of physical wideouts having the option to bully defensive backs without any source of recourse, but that’s a discussion for another day.  
 

One thing is certain:  the Titans are playing undisciplined football on the offensive line.  The defensive pass interference penalties I can forgive a bit considering the nature of the sport and that Brownlee is a rookie learning on the job, but making sure you are lining up correctly and avoiding false starts are fixable things.  It’s already hard enough on offense with Levis going full retard at least once or twice every drive, we don’t need that out of the offensive line as well.