Documenting America's Descent Into Autocracy: Despotic Fascism Has Arrived

[LongTimeFan]

Just now, Jamalisms said:

 

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[nine]

Numerous articles have been written by legal analysts making direct comparisons between Trump’s calculated and deliberate mishandling of classified documents and the actions of other former Presidents and politicians with classified documents in their possession.   And they unequivocally agree that there IS no comparison.   

Over the years, numerous politicians have discovered classified documents in their possession months or years after leaving office.    The standard protocol is for the holder of the documents to report their discovery to the NARA;  NARA then makes a formal request and arranges to have the documents retrieved.  Upon receiving the request, the holder then dutifully hands over the documents to the NARA as required by law.  
 

Only one person has been found to have knowingly had classified documents and compartmentalized information in their possession without ever voluntarily reporting them to NARA.  
 

One one person repeatedly ignored NARA’s requests and flatly refused to return the documents in their possession.

 

 Only one person has knowingly and deliberately lied to NARA and to the investigators who came to retrieve the documents…and even lied to his very own lawyers about the hundreds of documents in his possession.      

 

Only one person went to great lengths to hide hundreds of classified  documents from NARA…and upon getting caught, tried to lie that he had declassified them before leaving office. 
 

But it no longer matters…because the fox is now in charge of the henhouse;  he can do as he wishes with utter and complete impunity…and he’s surrounding himself with people who are perfectly fine with such actions;  they’ll do as they’re told and won’t say a word.  
 

It’s okay to admit all

this ….because there’s no longer any possibility that he’ll ever face any repercussions or be held accountable for his actions.  

[Titandan]

4 hours ago, nine said:

Numerous articles have been written by legal analysts making direct comparisons between Trump’s calculated and deliberate mishandling of classified documents and the actions of other former Presidents and politicians with classified documents in their possession.   And they unequivocally agree that there IS no comparison.   

Over the years, numerous politicians have discovered classified documents in their possession months or years after leaving office.    The standard protocol is for the holder of the documents to report their discovery to the NARA;  NARA then makes a formal request and arranges to have the documents retrieved.  Upon receiving the request, the holder then dutifully hands over the documents to the NARA as required by law.  
 

Only one person has been found to have knowingly had classified documents and compartmentalized information in their possession without ever voluntarily reporting them to NARA.  
 

One one person repeatedly ignored NARA’s requests and flatly refused to return the documents in their possession.

 

 Only one person has knowingly and deliberately lied to NARA and to the investigators who came to retrieve the documents…and even lied to his very own lawyers about the hundreds of documents in his possession.      

 

Only one person went to great lengths to hide hundreds of classified  documents from NARA…and upon getting caught, tried to lie that he had declassified them before leaving office. 
 

But it no longer matters…because the fox is now in charge of the henhouse;  he can do as he wishes with utter and complete impunity…and he’s surrounding himself with people who are perfectly fine with such actions;  they’ll do as they’re told and won’t say a word.  
 

It’s okay to admit all

this ….because there’s no longer any possibility that he’ll ever face any repercussions or be held accountable for his actions.  

What did that "Only one person" do with all this classified doc?

 

What makes our constitution special is that it goes to great lengths to  prevent tyranny from a ruler or ruling class.  Trust no one. Checks and Balances. Decentralization of power.  These concepts stem from the biblical understanding that all mankind are inherently culpable of sin/corruption (Romans3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God).

Presidents taking classified docs was not something I cared about or even knew about until Trump.  If classified docs are that dangerous or precious, why not have measures to prevent presidents from to take classified documents BEFORE they leave office? 

This is what I think.  In Order for Trump to be Guilty... 

#1. Trump needed to have taken these documents fully knowing that he was not allowed to take them.

#2. There needs to be proof that Trump was going to use these documents to damage America or further his political career illegally. 

#3.  FBI or whatever institution should have some official protocol to screen the items being removed from the presidents' office and Trump needs to have illegally circumvented these protocols to remove these items.

The difference between Obama and Trump is that there were actual scandals with the Obama admin.  There was reason to go after documents (many of which were successfully blocked by Obama admin).  Trump has no scandal.  FBI just raided him to find shit that wasn't there. 

All these years of doing business and the best the DOJ could find is loan fraud? Square footage was misrepresented? 

Thanks for going through the trouble of writing out your arguments.  To me and majority of America, these facts don't change the reality that Trump was being harassed and persecuted for not falling in line with the RNC, DNC, and whoever the fuck's controlling these insane asylums they call institutions.  There will be hell to pay if Trump cares about the future of our republic.  

I really hope he's not going to just forgive those who used lawfare to go after political opponents.  Y'all might be okay with it now, but when it happens to you or your loved ones, I'm pretty sure you won't turn the other cheek.  

Furthermore, the DNC controlled legal actors' actions spoke louder than words by dismissing all this shenanigans. They aren't willing to go down with the ship.  Even if I vehemently disagree with one's political philosophies, there's honor in doubling down on your convictions regardless of temporary consequences.  Those that are tapping out now just revealed to the world that they are nothing more than shady ass hoes.  On to the next trick...

[Jamalisms]

Misinformation propaganda bot go brr.

[No1TitansFan]

The reason they didn't have FBI agents overseeing Trump leaving office is because every other previous president followed the rules and procedures and had whatever documents they took screened by the appropriate officials instead of having theri aides literally using hand trucks to load  box after box into trucks on their way out, grabbing everything they could the way Trump did. That's how he got caught when a few honest people notified the proper officials that something very shady was going on.

[Titandan]

2 hours ago, No1TitansFan said:

The reason they didn't have FBI agents overseeing Trump leaving office is because every other previous president followed the rules and procedures and had whatever documents they took screened by the appropriate officials instead of having theri aides literally using hand trucks to load  box after box into trucks on their way out, grabbing everything they could the way Trump did. That's how he got caught when a few honest people notified the proper officials that something very shady was going on.

Just curious.

What do you think Trump was trying to do with these docs? 

Seems pretty stupid that the most powerful government system just allows for presidents to take whatever they want when they leave office.  Doesn't matter who was in charge.  It shouldn't be that easy... just my opinion.  

[Jamalisms]

He's just asking questions ...

[Titans279]

9 minutes ago, Titandan said:

Just curious.

What do you think Trump was trying to do with these docs? 

Seems pretty stupid that the most powerful government system just allows for presidents to take whatever they want when they leave office.  Doesn't matter who was in charge.  It shouldn't be that easy... just my opinion.  

 

What do you think he was doing with them?

[nine]

For 250 years, there was never a need to have federal agents do a full  inventory of the contents of the White House and Oval Office to ascertain which items and documents an outgoing POTUS wouldn’t be allowed to take with him.  
 

For 250 years it was assumed that an outgoing Presidents would maintain a reverence and respect for the Office…that they would be trustworthy, forthright, and judicious in discerning between  personal property and official presidential documents that are required by law to be submitted to the National Archive.  
 

In 250 years, only once has a former President been discovered  to have abused and exploited this trust. 
 

This is what I think.  In Order for Trump to be Guilty... 

#1. Trump needed to have taken these documents fully knowing that he was not allowed to take them.
 

Audio recordings and eyewitness testimony have shown beyond the shadow of a doubt that Trump was fully aware that the documents were still classified and that taking them was illegal.  He simply didn’t care;  he wanted them and believed he was above the law.  

#2. There needs to be proof that Trump was going to use these documents to damage America or further his political career illegally. 
 

If such proof were found to exist, then we wouldn’t be talking about willful mishandling of documents.  It would be flat-out treason.  
 

But let’s be honest:  even if that were found to be demonstrably and unequivocally true….the majority of Trump supporters would downplay it and find some excuse why it really isn’t a big deal… and they’d ultimately be perfectly fine with it.    

#3.  FBI or whatever institution should have some official protocol to screen the items being removed from the presidents' office and Trump needs to have illegally circumvented these protocols to remove these items.

 

After manning the country’s highest office for four years, it would be demeaning and absolutely disgusting  to treat an outgoing President like some common hood rat…screening and inventorying  everything before he goes to ensure nothing goes missing or that he’s not doing anything to jeopardize national security.  

It’s entirely possible that such measures might have prevented Trump from loading up hundreds of classified documents on his way out the door.    
 

But the fact that it happened isn’t so much about any perceived lack of security at the Oval Office;  it’s an indictment of the poor judgement and morally corrupt character of the guy who was grabbing everything in sight on his way out the door.  

[Titandan]

3 hours ago, Titans279 said:

 

What do you think he was doing with them?

I don't know. That's why I'm asking some of your perspectives. 

[Titandan]

12 minutes ago, nine said:

For 250 years, there was never a need to have federal agents do a full  inventory of the contents of the White House and Oval Office to ascertain which items and documents an outgoing POTUS wouldn’t be allowed to take with him.  
 

For 250 years it was assumed that an outgoing Presidents would maintain a reverence and respect for the Office…that they would be trustworthy, forthright, and judicious in discerning between  personal property and official presidential documents that are required by law to be submitted to the National Archive.  
 

In 250 years, only once has a former President been discovered  to have abused and exploited this trust. 
 

This is what I think.  In Order for Trump to be Guilty... 

#1. Trump needed to have taken these documents fully knowing that he was not allowed to take them.
 

Audio recordings and eyewitness testimony have shown beyond the shadow of a doubt that Trump was fully aware that the documents were still classified and that taking them was illegal.  He simply didn’t care;  he wanted them and believed he was above the law.  

#2. There needs to be proof that Trump was going to use these documents to damage America or further his political career illegally. 
 

If such proof were found to exist, then we wouldn’t be talking about willful mishandling of documents.  It would be flat-out treason.  
 

But let’s be honest:  even if that were found to be demonstrably and unequivocally true….the majority of Trump supporters would downplay it and find some excuse why it really isn’t a big deal… and they’d ultimately be perfectly fine with it.    

#3.  FBI or whatever institution should have some official protocol to screen the items being removed from the presidents' office and Trump needs to have illegally circumvented these protocols to remove these items.

 

After manning the country’s highest office for four years, it would be demeaning and absolutely disgusting  to treat an outgoing President like some common hood rat…screening and inventorying  everything before he goes to ensure nothing goes missing or that he’s not doing anything to jeopardize national security.  

It’s entirely possible that such measures might have prevented Trump from loading up hundreds of classified documents on his way out the door.    
 

But the fact that it happened isn’t so much about any perceived lack of security at the Oval Office;  it’s an indictment of the poor judgement and morally corrupt character of the guy who was grabbing everything in sight on his way out the door.  

So what do you think he was doing or about to do with the classified docs?

[Jamalisms]

I can tell you what he wasn't doing with them.

[No1TitansFan]

You don't have to prove exactly what a thief was going do with stolen property in his possesion in order for a theft charge to be legitimate. He was a raging narcissist who couldn't accept the fact he lost and decided to take out his anger by doing everything in his power to try and sabotage the incoiming administration. He literally views the world as him being the one ond only capable of leading the country in the proper direction and anyone who isn't loyal to him or calls him out when he oversteps his authoriyt as being the enemy. And if you're the enemy of him, your'e by definiton the enemy of the state. That's why the F word is used so often with him

[Jamalisms]

1 minute ago, No1TitansFan said:

You don't have to prove exactly what a thief was going do with stolen property in his possesion in order for a theft charge to be legitimate. 

 

But what if you always want to shift the conversation to imply doubt of some sort?

[Titandan]

1 hour ago, No1TitansFan said:

You don't have to prove exactly what a thief was going do with stolen property in his possesion in order for a theft charge to be legitimate. He was a raging narcissist who couldn't accept the fact he lost and decided to take out his anger by doing everything in his power to try and sabotage the incoiming administration. He literally views the world as him being the one ond only capable of leading the country in the proper direction and anyone who isn't loyal to him or calls him out when he oversteps his authoriyt as being the enemy. And if you're the enemy of him, your'e by definiton the enemy of the state. That's why the F word is used so often with him

So did Trump use any of the illegally taken documents to sabotage the Biden/Harris admin?