XAEA12 Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 1 hour ago, OILERMAN said: This is seriously as ridiculous as any Anti-Henry take TBH I just wanted to get the thread to 222 in honor of Derrick Henry Lock the thread, Jamal. Professor Chaos signing out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 (edited) 54 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: He wasn't though. I'm not sure what you don't remember about it. His YPC were completely dependent on the HR that he wasn't hitting at the same scale as he was in 16 and 17. The skill set was always there. That's where the line gets drawn. Doesn't change the fact that yes he ran differently. after the bye here's his rush ypc each game : He just wasn't getting carries till the end and the Jax game he had a 99 yard run to boost that average Edited August 23 by titanruss XAEA12 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 (edited) He wasn't breaking off long runs those early games. but if he had, who cares? The entire premise about why some backs are elite is exactly because of the home runs. Henry was able to do both almost his entire career... and 100% from the bye going forward. it wasn't the Jax game. That's just the one that made it impossible to miss. it wasn't Tannehill, that stability just allowed it to have more consistency. did his workout and attitude change? Sure, if he says it did. .. but so did his usage. and there were plenty games in his career with high averages and no super long runs before the above stats. the coaches didn't know how to use him, and they had no QB to help take the heat off him. Edited August 23 by titanruss XAEA12, and Mythos27 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 It isn't worth arguing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 1 hour ago, OILERMAN said: What's crazy is if you only look at the 2nd half of the season on Lewis's last season in NE. He led in the league among all RBs in several metrics. NE lined up heavy and ran him in 21 personnel and he was dominant. It really was crazy how bad he was here So you took the pats team with Brady and a great OL and playing with a lead. projected that to the RB and thought the RB was special? Special enough to come here and do the same thing with less? You can't see how without those things it's a struggle to be consistent? Holy shit how badass would Henry have looked on those Pats teams? Your whole schtick was that it was Tannehill doing the heavy lifting with Henry... Henry leads the league in crazy metrics- but gets no credit while making Lewis look like a joke. XAEA12 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 Just now, IsntLifeFunny said: It isn't worth arguing. There's like 500 pages of this site dedicated solely to this argument haha Henry was consistent after the bye and got carries as the hot hand against Jax. He wasn't breaking long runs to consistently have a good average and solid success rate. Thats all my point it is. I don't know if it contradicts the "talk theory" much as Eddie could have easily talked to him before/ during the bye and not sure we have an exact date on that chat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 20 minutes ago, titanruss said: So you took the pats team with Brady and a great OL and playing with a lead. projected that to the RB and thought the RB was special? Special enough to come here and do the same thing with Mo, the front office did Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 Best Player Titans? Will Da KING fold@Baltimore? Is Da King Still Great? Current Standing in the Great Debate, aka the stomp down. 90% Yes 1% No 9% can't figure how the **** this keeps going on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 1 hour ago, titanruss said: There's like 500 pages of this site dedicated solely to this argument haha Henry was consistent after the bye and got carries as the hot hand against Jax. He wasn't breaking long runs to consistently have a good average and solid success rate. Thats all my point it is. I don't know if it contradicts the "talk theory" much as Eddie could have easily talked to him before/ during the bye and not sure we have an exact date on that chat. What's your point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 1 minute ago, OILERMAN said: Mo, the front office did Not expecting a drop off from that scenario to ours seems silly no matter who thought it. After Lewis showed a drastic falloff though, the obvious answer is to look at why. Too often here that answer is just "well that guy decided to suck!" Or "he's afraid!" Or "he got paid and doesn't care!" The simple answer is comfortable because you don't have to think about it. If Lewis looks like ass and Henry looks even slightly better (he clearly did but still not a Herman level guy ) then at some point you have to look outside the RBs. it's a problem this franchise has had almost across the board for 22 years. Unable to line shit up and the hubris to believe the issues are individual players rather than holistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 30 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: What's your point? that Henry had a lot of games before that bye where he showed out and looked better than Arian foster (for most all of 2017) but was under utilized leading to complacency or self doubt. that in 2018 there was something wrong across the board including Henry and the match with him to the team. that it was mostly fixed on Henry's side at the bye but didn't fully represent until the jags game. that after that game, he was the only real threat on the team and therefore easy to stop at the beginning of the next season until we actually had a QB that could run that offense and open things up. Number9, and Mythos27 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 7 hours ago, titanruss said: that Henry had a lot of games before that bye where he showed out and looked better than Arian foster (for most all of 2017) but was under utilized leading to complacency or self doubt. that in 2018 there was something wrong across the board including Henry and the match with him to the team. that it was mostly fixed on Henry's side at the bye but didn't fully represent until the jags game. that after that game, he was the only real threat on the team and therefore easy to stop at the beginning of the next season until we actually had a QB that could run that offense and open things up. We don't disagree, but he was playing like shit in 2018 and was severely flawed 16 and 17. He didn't run the same after he was put on the trade block. OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 There are a ton of reasons a RB has sub par production in a game or games. In 1984 when Dickerson set the record he had games like 23 carries for 49 yards and 13 carries for 38 yards. To act as if this is some kind of proof Henry was the same RB he always was is so laughable it's unworthy of response. Derrick Henry gets in an interview and explains why he was playing so poorly, the coaches(Mularkey and Vrabel both) had him as a back-up, he was losing his job and on the trade block. We saw it with our own eyes. He turned his career around. A person is either in denial or stupid to deny this reality japan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 18 hours ago, Face said: Changing the subject for a second I just went back & looked at the stats & I didn’t realize how awesome Lewis was in NE yhe year before he signed with us. 5 YPA & a 55% success rate. Jesus talk about falling off a cliff. He had a 3.3 & 33% with us in ‘18. I didn’t know that bad was possible. He was incredible that year. One of the best backs in football. I was pumped that we got him until it became obvious agendas demanded that people choose sides. Dude's fall off must be studied. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 22 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said: On this particular topic I'd say he's actually doing you a bit of a favor. This is and will never be a winner for you. You're right about most things Titans, not this. It's crazy. Until Henry he was a master at just quietly moving off of a take and getting 0 heat for it. Not sure what it is about this one for him. OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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