Strunk'sDessert Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 Man, we're on the same page tonight. Love it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 Interesting thread. Atrocity propaganda is a real tactic and reports during active war should be viewed with a questioning lense when unconfirmed as to why things may be exaggerated and who it benefits Not that it minimises any ofthe horrors Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 21 minutes ago, IrishTitansFan said: Interesting thread. Atrocity propaganda is a real tactic and reports during active war should be viewed with a questioning lense when unconfirmed as to why things may be exaggerated and who it benefits Not that it minimises any ofthe horrors In your mind the Palestinians have been at war for a long time and have been victimized. You're right. With that said it was not open warfare and what happened was unconscionable because it was horrific to a degree of brutality that warfare doesn't usually match. Or, that once open warfare happens and is underway such atrocities take place and are either not discussed, rarely discussed, or swept under the rug. This was different. How they're being painted is exactly what they did as the opening salvo to war. reo, and IrishTitansFan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, IsntLifeFunny said: In your mind the Palestinians have been at war for a long time and have been victimized. You're right. With that said it was not open warfare and what happened was unconscionable because it was horrific to a degree of brutality that warfare doesn't usually match. Or, that once open warfare happens and is underway such atrocities take place and are either not discussed, rarely discussed, or swept under the rug. This was different. How they're being painted is exactly what they did as the opening salvo to war. Not saying it didn’t happen, but it’s important context in the discussion on whether it matters if it’s exaggerated which was a prominent conversation here IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) Good to see a prominent Israeli paper condemn Netanyayhu for what he is; a danger to Israels survival I actually laughed aloud at this. Does anyone believe this shit? Edited October 23, 2023 by IrishTitansFan IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 I smell expulsion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 8 hours ago, Strunk'sDessert said: I think you & @TF_Titan encapsulated it pretty well. Hold people to some standards, but the 20-30 people regularly in this forum aren't the typical people that need to have everything buttoned up. This little corner of the internet isn't driving misinformation. I'll speak up if I see a 10 year old holding a lit cherry bomb for attention, but if a 25 year old blows his hands off doing the same thing I'm not going to lose sleep for not warning him of the dangers. Think there's more self piety going on here moreso than some actual moral discussion that some are trying to frame it as. You just met jamal didn't you? IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 Ah the old chemical weapons routine! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 5 hours ago, IrishTitansFan said: I smell expulsion Between this and your expressed general dissatisfaction with Israel (more pronounced than others here, I believe), I've gotta ask ... is there a history of animosity or bad relations between Ireland and Israel? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 25 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: Between this and your expressed general dissatisfaction with Israel (more pronounced than others here, I believe), I've gotta ask ... is there a history of animosity or bad relations between Ireland and Israel? I don’t think Irish people have any animosity towards Israelis at all, but the current iteration of the state is deeply unpopular yes. it’s more from the point of view of supporting Palestine Im a lot more central on the issue than large parts of the population. Irish Republicans would outright refuse to acknowledge Israel as a state and wouldn’t back a two state solution in most cases. They directly compare Ireland’s oppression to Palestines, and sometimes compare Hamas to the IRA in a favourable way. I disagree as I posted earlier, they are different situations. Palestinians have it a lot worse than the Irish did for the most part and the IRA, unlike Hamas, just wanted Ireland as a country to be free from British rule, Hamas want to eliminate Israel altogether. For most of their history, the IRA did a good job of minimising civilian casualties and went for military/police targets (they were also horrible towards the end of their real existence, but nothing like Hamas) At a government level, there’s always been some tension with Israel. The only thing of note the Irish army do is join UN peacekeeping missions, this has put them at odds with Israel and Israeli backed militias in Lebanon in the past I believe Ireland were the first state in the EU to officially recognise Palestine as a state, they also recently officially declared Israels encroachments into the West Bank and Jerusalem as annexations. Every time it goes down in Gaza the Irish are deeply critical of Israels response and there is always a big drive to give aid to Gaza (I guess this is what the ambassadors office was insinuating) Israel have been heavily critical of Ireland for years calling them biased and anti-Semitic Theres been calls for years to expel various Israel ambassadors to Ireland, sometimes for Israeli actions and quite a bit for some pretty bad social media posts like the one above, but so far the government have held back on that If Sinn Fein lead the government (looking likely next election), look for relations to get worse and Ireland to back Palestine even more than they do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 Oh, interesting. The IRA angle and how it mirrors (quite imperfectly) Palestine makes a lot of sense for why there might be an innate tendency in the Irish population towards support of Palestine / disapproval of Israel, as compared to populace in other nations. Not to say it's correct but it explains some things I had wondered about. Complete tangent and feel free to DM me if it's too much of a distraction from the topic at hand but how is the IRA viewed these days? Is it fringe or widely popular or controversial, is support or participation underground or more out in the open now, is it viewed as still relevant by youth or more of a political relic of older generations? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Jamalisms said: Oh, interesting. The IRA angle and how it mirrors (quite imperfectly) Palestine makes a lot of sense for why there might be an innate tendency in the Irish population towards support of Palestine / disapproval of Israel, as compared to populace in other nations. Not to say it's correct but it explains some things I had wondered about. Complete tangent and feel free to DM me if it's too much of a distraction from the topic at hand but how is the IRA viewed these days? Is it fringe or widely popular or controversial, is support or participation underground or more out in the open now, is it viewed as still relevant by youth or more of a political relic of older generations? I would also say conversely that support for Israel from an ideological standpoint has to be stronger in the US than any other country aside from Israel--even tepid criticism is met with pretty significant backlash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 11 minutes ago, Bink said: I would also say conversely that support for Israel from an ideological standpoint has to be stronger in the US than any other country aside from Israel--even tepid criticism is met with pretty significant backlash. This also makes sense, yes. And, speaking personally, even just trying to meditate a bit here I have felt this. Is quite an emotionally charged subject and the backlash and suspicion can be quite strong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted October 23, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 Verified source! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 42 minutes ago, Bink said: I would also say conversely that support for Israel from an ideological standpoint has to be stronger in the US than any other country aside from Israel--even tepid criticism is met with pretty significant backlash. US and Israel Jewish population = +/- 6 mil. Next in line drops all the way to about 1/2 mil in France, Canada. So yeah, certainly a simple clear near the top reason for US support for Israel beyond so many others brought up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.