Trump Indicted By DC Grand Jury

[nine]

9 hours ago, scine09 said:

The difference is pretty simple.  One cooperated and one didn’t.

Also, one investigation found no criminal intent and concluded criminal charges were not warranted;   the other investigation resulted in an indictment with 37 felony charges. 

[scine09]

6 hours ago, nine said:

Also, one investigation found no criminal intent and concluded criminal charges were not warranted;   the other investigation resulted in an indictment with 37 felony charges. 

Yeah I don’t think Biden was sitting there plotting on a way to hide these documents.  I just think he was being careless.

[Justafan]

Prosecutors said it makes no sense to pursue prosecution of Biden because, by the time they could go to trial, he would be a post-presidency elderly man with a gentle demeanor and failing memory that would be impossible to convict. They are 100% right. 

 

Trump needs to be prosecuted to stop him from running. I would say the same thing if he were beyond reach: to let him go. Not because I think he deserves it but because we do.  

 

 

Edited February 10, 2024 by Justafan

[LongTimeFan]

1 hour ago, scine09 said:

Yeah I don’t think Biden was sitting there plotting on a way to hide these documents.  I just think he was being careless.

Biden willfully took , retained and gave access to classified documents. You justify it and only think it was 'careless' because he is a Democrat.

 

 

 

 

[scine09]

3 minutes ago, LongTimeFan said:

Biden willfully took , retained and gave access to classified documents. You justify it and only think it was 'careless' because he is a Democrat.

 

 

 

 

Completely false.  At least the second part.  The first part I have no idea about.  It’s just my opinion because I don’t think that it’s in Biden’s nature to do something like that.  I think he was being careless and there’s no excuse for it or defending it.

Edited February 10, 2024 by scine09

[LongTimeFan]

55 minutes ago, Justafan said:

Prosecutors said it makes no sense to pursue prosecution of Biden because, by the time they could go to trial, he would be a post-presidency elderly man with a gentle demeanor and failing memory that would be impossible to convict. They are 100% right. 

 

Trump needs to be prosecuted to stop him from running. I would say the same thing if he were beyond reach: to let him go. Not because I think he deserves it but because we do.  

 

 

This is the exact situation that screams a double standard and while you and others seem like reasonable people in other aspects of life from other topics, you have some blind spot when politics are involved.

 

Beat Trump at the polls.

[LongTimeFan]

Just now, scine09 said:

Completely false.

Which part? 

[LongTimeFan]

5 minutes ago, scine09 said:

Completely false.  At least the second part.  The first part I have no idea about.  It’s just my opinion because I don’t think that it’s in Biden’s nature to do something like that.  I think he was being careless and there’s no excuse for it or defending it.

So you make an assumption without the basic facts. That's sad.

[scine09]

16 minutes ago, LongTimeFan said:

So you make an assumption without the basic facts. That's sad.

It’s my opinion.  You have yours just like I have mine.

[LongTimeFan]

1 minute ago, scine09 said:

It’s my opinion.  You have yours just like I have mine.

True. But that's like most political opinions. Based on feelings. Which is sad.

[begooode]

It’s notable that the missing in action repub posters finally have a tangible issue against Biden and they’re on it like a dog on a bone. Were you guys too busy looking at your 401ks. LOFL. 

[begooode]

Trump lies about every fucking thing that reveals his criminality and his followers know this and they refuse to admit it. You have Earl in here parroting bullshit talking points because they don’t care about the truth “Trump could argue declassified (right or wrong)”, ffs
 

Former President Donald Trump, now the leading candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, made false claims Friday about the extent to which he and President Joe Biden each cooperated with federal authorities over the classified documents they each retained after they left office.

 

“I cooperated with the very unfriendly and hostile feds. I cooperated far more than Biden did,” Trump said in a speech to the National Rifle Association in Pennsylvania, echoing a claim he made in a written statement on Thursday.  Trump continued soon after: “But Biden fought them all the way. I didn’t. They’re trying to make it the other way; no, Biden fought them very hard and they never got what they wanted to get anyway.”

 

Facts First: Trump’s claims he cooperated with federal authorities “far more than Biden did” and that Biden “fought them all the way” are both not true. There is no reasonable argument that Trump cooperated as much as Biden, let alone “far more”: Biden cooperated with his federal investigation in multiple ways, according to the special counsel who probed his conduct, while Trump faces a charge of conspiracy to obstruct justice, among other obstruction-related charges, for allegedly trying in multiple ways to thwart the probe into his own conduct. In addition, even prior to the launch of the special counsel probe into Trump, Trump failed for months to comply with requests from the National Archives and Records Administration to return the documents in his possession – and then failed to return all of the documents after the Justice Department produced a grand jury subpoena for them.

 

The special counsel who handled the Biden probe, Robert Hur, wrote that there are “serious aggravating facts” in the Trump case that don’t exist in the Biden case: Trump’s alleged obstruction and Biden’s thorough cooperation.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/09/politics/fact-check-trump-falsely-claims-cooperated-feds-more-than-biden/index.html

Edited February 10, 2024 by begooode

[nine]

Just the sake of argument, let’s say for a moment that they recommended charges against Biden.  
 

Here’s a list of the charges against Trump.  How many of these charges would apply to Biden?  
 

• Willful retention of national defense information (32 counts)
• False statements and representations
• Conspiracy to obstruct justice
• Withholding a document or record
• Corruptly concealing a document or record
• Concealing a document in a federal investigation
• Scheme to conceal
• Altering, destroying, mutilating, or concealing an object
• Corruptly altering, destroying, mutilating or concealing a document, record, or other object

 

It’s worth noting that while the Trump indictment shows that he shared classified information and stored classified documents in unsecured locations…no charges were filed for those transgressions.   So we can likely assume Biden wouldn’t have been charged either.  

[nine]

44 minutes ago, begooode said:

Trump lies about every fucking thing that reveals his criminality and his followers know this and they refuse to admit it. You have Earl in here parroting bullshit talking because they don’t care about the truth “Trump could argue declassified (right or wrong)”, ffs
 

Former President Donald Trump, now the leading candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, made false claims Friday about the extent to which he and President Joe Biden each cooperated with federal authorities over the classified documents they each retained after they left office.

 

“I cooperated with the very unfriendly and hostile feds. I cooperated far more than Biden did,” Trump said in a speech to the National Rifle Association in Pennsylvania, echoing a claim he made in a written statement on Thursday.  Trump continued soon after: “But Biden fought them all the way. I didn’t. They’re trying to make it the other way; no, Biden fought them very hard and they never got what they wanted to get anyway.”

 

Facts First: Trump’s claims he cooperated with federal authorities “far more than Biden did” and that Biden “fought them all the way” are both not true. There is no reasonable argument that Trump cooperated as much as Biden, let alone “far more”: Biden cooperated with his federal investigation in multiple ways, according to the special counsel who probed his conduct, while Trump faces a charge of conspiracy to obstruct justice, among other obstruction-related charges, for allegedly trying in multiple ways to thwart the probe into his own conduct. In addition, even prior to the launch of the special counsel probe into Trump, Trump failed for months to comply with requests from the National Archives and Records Administration to return the documents in his possession – and then failed to return all of the documents after the Justice Department produced a grand jury subpoena for them.

 

The special counsel who handled the Biden probe, Robert Hur, wrote that there are “serious aggravating facts” in the Trump case that don’t exist in the Biden case: Trump’s alleged obstruction and Biden’s thorough cooperation.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/09/politics/fact-check-trump-falsely-claims-cooperated-feds-more-than-biden/index.html

Because he knows MAGA nation will blindly support literally anything he says….even a fantasy that exists only in Trump’s mind when  reality is the exact opposite of what he says.

[reo]

51 minutes ago, nine said:

Because he knows MAGA nation will blindly support literally anything he says….even a fantasy that exists only in Trump’s mind when  reality is the exact opposite of what he says.

 

It's how he conditions his followers to accept worse and worse things as well.

 

Take note of his comments about being a dictator for a day and his comments about how a president can close the border by saying its closed. He's conditioning them to actually want him to have that power. So if he gets reelected, he'd push for more dictatorial power and they'll cheer him for it.