Charges filed against Hunter Biden

[IsntLifeFunny]

26 minutes ago, LongTimeFan said:

I know you are smart enough to use Google search...

 

https://oversight.house.gov/landing/biden-family-investigation/

I've been giving you the benefit of the doubt lately. 

 

If President Biden is compromised by deals with foreign adversaries and they are impacting his decision making, this is a threat to national security.

 

I hope you can notice the key word. It's the only one in bold. 

[reo]

21 minutes ago, Bink said:

 

It's not about this. It's about constantly spamming investigations and painting their opponents as criminals so that when they are investigated for very real crimes they can paint it as political and dupe their supporters into ignoring their very real crimes. 

 

yeah, it's all about how it plays in their propaganda. It's why all the youtube vids and things where "Jim Jordan embarrasses himself" or MTG or Gaetz or whoever... are overblown. They're just building sound bites for their propaganda so people like LTF and LE can eat it up and be manipulated. They know these people won't look into it further to see where they were immediately debunked or made a fool of.

[LongTimeFan]

23 minutes ago, reo said:

 

Combined w/ audio recordings of him talking about/showing classified info to other people.

 

https://time.com/6290489/donald-trump-tape-classified-documents/

 

And to be clear, Smith has those documents mentioned in those tapes. They are classified.

 

I understand you don't know the difference between unsubstantiated rumors or opinion articles and real reporting but there is a difference between what you read and what most people read.

 

Stop being easily manipulated.

AUDIO recordings can not verify Trump SHOWED classified info. Maybe he did. Maybe he just held up a folder that contained the info. The story you linked doesn't say.

But you, along with the zealots here, will assume anything reported  100% PROVES Trump is guilty of anything.

 

If Trump is guilty, he should suffer the consequences. 

 

There is plenty of circumstantial evidence that Joe may have broken the law. Let the investigation continue, unimpeded, and see where it ends up. 

 

If the Oversight Committee were smart, they would get these areas of info

1. All communications from Joe Biden and his staff during the vice presidency.

2. All financial transactions to the 20 or so Biden LLCs that money flowed through.

3. All bank accounts that any Biden family member has had since Joe became VP. Is the joint account with Joe and Hunter true?

4. The millions of dollars that Joe and Jill received through their S-Corp that is unaccounted for.  https://theintercept.com/2019/09/11/joe-biden-financial-disclosure/ 

[reo]

7 minutes ago, LongTimeFan said:

AUDIO recordings can not verify Trump SHOWED classified info.

 

They have the documents, witness testimony and the audio files. That combination is how you build a case. Stop rationalizing and being easily manipulated. The fact that you don't already know this IS the problem.

 

7 minutes ago, LongTimeFan said:

There is plenty of circumstantial evidence that Joe may have broken the law. 

 

No, there's not. Witnesses have said Biden had nothing to do w/ any of Hunter's businesses. There are no documents that show any wrong doing. There's no paper trail. There's no evidence.

 

I don't give a shit if Biden is investigated if there's evidence of wrong doing. There's not any.

 

Stop being easily manipulated.

Edited August 11, 2023 by reo

[LongTimeFan]

Just now, reo said:

 

They have the documents, witness testimony and the audio files. That combination is how you build a case.

 

 

 

No, there's not. Witnesses have said Biden had nothing to do w/ any of Hunter's businesses. There are no documents that show any wrong doing. There's no paper trail. There's no evidence.

 

Stop being easily manipulated.

And witnesses have said that he does. Babilinsky, Archer, Hunter himself, government confidential informant.

 

Stop being so easily manipulated.

[reo]

3 minutes ago, LongTimeFan said:

And witnesses have said that he does. Babilinsky, Archer, Hunter himself, government confidential informant.

 

Post the comments and back it up w/ evidence.

Edited August 11, 2023 by reo

[reo]

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/oct/29/tony-bobulinski-hunter-biden-and-china-explainer/

 

• Tony Bobulinski is a former Navy lieutenant and business partner of Hunter Biden. 
• In statements and an interview with Fox News host Tucker Carlson, Bobulinski claimed Joe Biden was involved in one of his family’s business ventures with a Chinese oil company.
• Credible news organizations have found no evidence to corroborate Bobulinski’s claims about a role in the proposed venture for Joe Biden. Joe Biden’s financial documents show no indication of any income related to the venture.
• In the mid-2010s, Hunter Biden was involved in multiple business dealings with Chinese companies. There is no evidence that his father played a role in any of them.

 

Are Bobulinski’s claims credible?

There’s reason to be skeptical about Bobulinski’s allegations, which credible news organizations have not corroborated. The Associated Press, for example, reported that it could not independently verify Bobulinki’s claims. PolitiFact has not been able to, either.

The Wall Street Journal reviewed his documents and found no evidence of wrongdoing by Joe Biden — or that he was active in his family’s foreign business endeavors, as Bobulinski claimed.

Bobulinski’s overarching claim is that Joe Biden was involved in, and may have profited from, his son and brother’s business dealings in China. He called Joe Biden’s claim that he never played a role in Hunter Biden’s foreign business endeavors "a blatant lie." 

But the Journal reported that the text messages and emails Bobulinski shared from 2017 "don’t show either Hunter Biden or James Biden discussing a role for Joe Biden in the venture." 

The venture in China "never received proposed funds from the Chinese company or completed any deals, according to people familiar with the matter," the outlet reported. "Corporate records reviewed by The Wall Street Journal show no role for Joe Biden."

The Journal also quoted Gilliar, the British national involved in SinoHawk, as saying he was "unaware of any involvement at any time of the former vice president." Gilliar added that "the activity in question never delivered any project revenue."

 

The New York Times reached the same conclusion about Bobulinski’s records. 

Financial disclosures and tax records for Joe Biden show no indication of any income related to the venture at hand, as the Times and Vox reported. 

Bobulinski claimed he met with the elder Biden twice, including once in May 2017 at Hunter and James Biden’s request. Bobulinski told Carlson that it was "crystal clear" that Hunter Biden had told his father about the venture, but he also said the group "didn’t go into too much detail on business" during the meeting. 

After a speech Joe Biden gave the next day, Bobulinski said the former vice president asked for his thoughts on the speech and then told him to "keep an eye on his son and his brother."

Joe Biden was not in office at the time, nor had he launched his campaign for president.

Edited August 11, 2023 by reo

[LongTimeFan]

8 minutes ago, reo said:

 

Post the comments and back it up w/ evidence.

Do some research yourself. No matter what I post you will disregard it because of our political beliefs.  Nothing you disagree with will be considered of any value. 

Have a great day!

[reo]

3 minutes ago, LongTimeFan said:

Do some research yourself. No matter what I post you will disregard it because of our political beliefs.  Nothing you disagree with will be considered of any value. 

Have a great day!

 

I am currently looking into it w/ nonbias websites that fact check these things. See above post about the first one.

 

Again. There's no evidence of any wrong doing. You have to have more than just people saying shit.

Edited August 11, 2023 by reo

[pat]

Not to mention, the ~ $200k Hunter misspent is roughly equivalent to one Stormy Daniels

[reo]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/08/03/devon-archer-transcript-biden/

 

Devon Archer said the opposite of what Republicans claimed

 

On Thursday, the Oversight Committee released a transcript of Archer’s testimony — testimony for which Comer wasn’t present. What Archer said not only doesn’t comport with the presentations made by Comer and Jordan on television (which were obviously wrong from the outset), his testimony undermines the idea that Burisma wanted Shokin fired, that Zlochevsky paid any bribe — and, crucially, that Joe Biden was involved in any of this.

 

He said that Biden’s last name helped — and that Hunter Biden sought to give the impression he was leveraging Joe Biden in his role. But he also testified that Hunter Biden knew this was deceptive. Archer confirmed an email in which Hunter Biden discussed how to frame an announced trip by the then-vice president to Ukraine.

“The announcement of my guy’s” — his father’s — “upcoming travels should be characterized as part of our advice and thinking — but what he will say and do is out of our hands,” the email read. “In other words, it could be a really good thing or it could end up creating too great an expectation.”

This distills Archer’s broader point: Hunter Biden wanted to give the impression he could bend Joe Biden’s will but, in private conversation, he said he couldn’t.

“He was getting paid a lot of money,” Archer told the investigators, “and I think, you know, he wanted to show value.”

 

It is true, Archer said, that in December 2015, Zlochevsky and Burisma were under a lot of pressure. But Shokin was not a cause of that pressure, he testified — Shokin was an asset.

“There was capital tied up in London, 23 million pounds. There was, you know, a U.S. visa denied and then a Mexico visa denied,” he testified. “Shokin wasn’t specifically on my radar as being an individual that was — that was targeting him. But, yes, there was constant pressure.”

The sort of pressure that those non-vice-presidential connections Hunter Biden had helped set up were designed to try to relieve. Pressures unrelated to Shokin.

In fact, as Rep. Dan Goldman (D-N.Y.) pointed out in questioning Archer, Shokin had himself helped relieve some of that pressure on Burisma. Those assets in London? They were unfrozen in part because Shokin refused to assist a British investigation into Zlochevsky, Goldman noted.

 

This goes to the idea that Shokin, who was prosecutor general in 2015, was good for Burisma,” Goldman said.

 

“Uh-huh,” Archer replied.

When Biden traveled to Ukraine in December 2015 — a trip that was announced publicly before the phone call that Jordan and Comer implied had triggered it — he joined other international leaders in condemning Shokin’s performance. (This was not, as Jordan claimed on Fox News, the “starting [of] pressure” on Shokin.) Archer testified that he was told by Burisma’s team in Washington that this pressure from Biden “was bad for Burisma.”

Archer agreed that the fact that “Shokin did not pursue corruption investigations against Burisma’s owner, effectively shielding the owner from prosecution,” as Goldman articulated it, meant that Shokin’s ouster put Burisma and Zlochevsky at more risk, not less.

 

More broadly, Archer severely undercut Republican claims about Hunter Biden’s interactions with his father.

He at first indicated that Hunter Biden had called his father after that meeting in Dubai in December 2015 but later said that he only knew that Hunter had “called D.C.”

So, he was asked, did Hunter Biden ever ask his father to take official actions on behalf of his business partners? “He did not,” Archer said. “He did not ask him — to my knowledge, I never saw him say, do anything for any particular business.”

Archer was asked later to confirm that he was not aware of any policy discussion between Hunter Biden and his father or of any occasion on which he asked the then-vice president to do anything improper. “That’s my understanding,” Archer said.

What about that bribe? Would he disagree with the idea that an FBI interview form that was the root of Comer’s initial claim actually constituted evidence of a bribe? “Yeah, I would,” Archer said, noting that (as the informant who claimed to have been told about the bribe noted) this sort of boasting was common in such situations — “very similar to D.C. operators,” Archer added, not needing to identify Hunter Biden as such an operator. What’s more, he said — under penalty of perjury, mind you — he was never aware of any such bribe offered to Hunter Biden or anyone else.

 

There was never a good reason to believe that the bribe allegation was legitimate, and Comer’s repeated claims about it have done enormous damage to his credibility. To have Devon Archer dismiss it certainly isn’t complete exoneration, but it is more evidence against the idea that it occurred.

Consider the first words out of Comer’s mouth in that interview with Hannity: “Every day this bribery scandal becomes more credible.” In fact, Archer’s testimony pointed precisely in the opposite direction.

That’s the pattern here. Comer and Jordan and others hype claims of Joe Biden’s involvement in Hunter Biden’s work only to see those claims collapse as more information is made public. Devon Archer’s testimony was hailed as a central breakthrough in implicating Joe Biden. Instead, it has a top ally of Hunter Biden stating under penalty of perjury that Joe Biden was not involved in Hunter Biden’s business and that Biden’s trip to Ukraine in 2015 was not centered on protecting Burisma at all.

 

Very much contrary to what those leading Republicans implied on Fox News.

Update: On Thursday morning, a Washington Post reporter received an email from Comer’s congressional campaign, seeking to raise money off of the release of the Archer testimony.

“Star Witness Devon Archer delivered BOMBSHELL testimony in front of the House Oversight Committee,” the email reads. Then, in bold: “No wonder Biden’s DOJ tried to throw him in jail before he could testify.”

This is not true.

“This is the smoking gun evidence we needed to prove that Joe Biden was the head of the Biden Bribery Scheme,” the email continued. A bit later the sales pitch: Comer needs financial support to weather “a vicious character assassination campaign” against him.

“DEFEND COMER,” the contribution buttons read.

 

 

 

There's another. @LongTimeFan Stop believing lies.

Edited August 11, 2023 by reo

[reo]

 

To be clear THIS ^^^ isn't just dismissing it out of hand b/c of political beliefs. These are from the transcripts from what Archer said under oath. THEY ARE LYING TO YOU. Stop being complicit in their bullshit.

 

15 minutes ago, LongTimeFan said:

Do some research yourself. No matter what I post you will disregard it because of our political beliefs.  Nothing you disagree with will be considered of any value. 

Have a great day!

Edited August 11, 2023 by reo

[wiscotitansfan]

Why do you even bother? These morons have shown over the course of years, literally damn near every day for years for christs sake that not only do they ignore what the concept of evidence is…. They go out of their way to promote things that are very clearly meant to be misrepresented and lies in the name of trying to show that neither side is more despicable than the other

[LongTimeFan]

36 minutes ago, reo said:

 

To be clear THIS ^^^ isn't just dismissing it out of hand b/c of political beliefs. These are from the transcripts from what Archer said under oath. THEY ARE LYING TO YOU. Stop being complicit in their bullshit.

Was Archer under oath during this?

Edited August 11, 2023 by LongTimeFan

[reo]

Just now, LongTimeFan said:

Archer was not under oath.

 

hahahahaha that's your reply? oh, alright.

 

OMFG And why do you think the Republican led committee wanted to allow him to testify w/o being under oath?