2024 GOP primary

[Justafan]

1 hour ago, Starkiller said:

If you want to keep to policing that’s fine, but this failed to eliminate poverty. In fact, they managed to make poverty worse.

I don't see it this way. Poverty is at its lowest rate in human history. According to the census, poverty dropped from 25% to 11%. Worldwide poverty has also dropped significantly in every country with some form of advanced free market economy. 

 

Socialist countries can not make this same boast for the record. Some mixed economies work well, but some form of free market capitalism is the ONLY proven way to lift people out of poverty. No amount of government assistance can do it, which you are correct about. You can and should create robust safety nets to protect your vulnerable populations, however, and I think that's where true free markets probably fall short.

 

At the end of the day, where we will disagree on poverty is that I don't believe the United States has a poverty problem. It has a culture problem and an entitlement problem. 

 

Anyway, enough of that. Police reform. To your point on a national database, I'm surprised they don't have something like that already. I imagine they have to do background checks, and the first question asked is where you worked before coming here. I mean, don't most police forces have boards and stuff and even do lie detectors and the whole gamut? I would have to look at police immunity laws because I imagine several consequences we aren't even considering here. The citizen's rights - what does that look like? We already have an immense amount of protections, and I generally favor those. I would probably favor protections as I strongly favor policies that enable people to live as freely as possible as long as they aren't causing harm to others or society in some way. Hell, I oppose seat belt laws on general principle, so we can probably find common ground here. 

 

I also think we can reduce police interaction through fewer traffic stops - use cameras like in Europe to enforce traffic laws - and reduce laws on victimless crimes, which may also help. Yes, there is also probably a space to transfer police load to other services such as social workers and mental health specialists. However, I don't think we are qualified to say what that looks like or how that affects everything at the local level. 

Edited February 6, 2024 by Justafan

[El Guapo]

What the fuck are you talking about? We have supposedly been fighting poverty to the tune of trillions and what do you have to show for it? Schools are shit, homelessness is up, fatherless families are up, lawlessness is up, societal norms are upside down, and you actually want to take credit for it? Because Democrats care so much about the downtrodden? 

[Starkiller]

You’re just some fucking out of touch doctor who spent decades voting for your tax cuts and don’t give a shit about how cuts to education and welfare and workers rights have drastically affected the bottom half of the country. You don’t have any clue what’s going on out there among the working class.

[Starkiller]

2 hours ago, Justafan said:

Hell, I oppose seat belt laws on general principle, so we can probably find common ground here. 

while only 8.4% of Americans don't wear seat belts, about 50% of those killed in car crashes were not buckled

[Starkiller]

Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley has applied for Secret Service protection because of increasing threats she has received as Donald Trump’s last major opponent for the 2024 GOP nomination.

 

Haley confirmed the application for protection in an interview Monday afternoon with The Wall Street Journal.

 

The Secret Service doesn’t determine who qualifies for protection, nor is the agency empowered to independently initiate candidate protection, according to a document on its website.

 

Protection is authorized by the Department of Homeland Security secretary after consultation with a congressional advisory committee that includes the House speaker and minority leader, the Senate majority and minority leader, and one additional member selected by others.

Edited February 6, 2024 by Starkiller

[Justafan]

8 hours ago, Starkiller said:

while only 8.4% of Americans don't wear seat belts, about 50% of those killed in car crashes were not buckled

Yup. Everyone knows this. 

[Justafan]

 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Justafan said:

 

 

Honestly stuff like this is so stupid and why I hate twitter. 

[Justafan]

4 minutes ago, Bink said:

 

Honestly stuff like this is so stupid and why I hate twitter. 

I agree, but it's also funny and kinda true. 

[Justafan]

 

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, Justafan said:

I agree, but it's also funny and kinda true. 

 

I mean, not really. 

[Justafan]

31 minutes ago, Bink said:

 

I mean, not really. 

How so? The Democrats downplayed the crisis at the border, framed concern over migrant caravans as a right-wing conspiracy, and relaxed enforcement of procedures at the border, even fighting Texas trying to defend its borders with NG. You can argue the reasons for all these positions. Still, you can't deny that Democrats haven't taken border security seriously enough and are now paying a political price for it. 

Edited February 6, 2024 by Justafan

[Starkiller]

Congress has spent the last few decades not fixing immigration law. It’s not on either party, or it’s on both. There has been bipartisan support for these bills over the years and also bipartisan rejection.

 

Republicans are making it a top political issue and now refuse to fix it so they can continue to make it a political issue. That doesn’t tell you how disingenuous the “Democrats haven't taken border security seriously enough” argument is?

[Justafan]

14 minutes ago, Starkiller said:

Congress has spent the last few decades not fixing immigration law. It’s not on either party, or it’s on both. There has been bipartisan support for these bills over the years and also bipartisan rejection.

 

Republicans are making it a top political issue and now refuse to fix it so they can continue to make it a political issue. That doesn’t tell you how disingenuous the “Democrats haven't taken border security seriously enough” argument is?

From my point of view, no. There is truth in what you are saying of course, but Dems haven’t taken border security seriously. 

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