Greg Cossell on the Titans O

[IrishTitansFan]

1 hour ago, Justafan said:

NOOO! He's very clear that the offense is dictating that and if people want to take that and use it to say something negative about Tannehill they can but he's very careful to say he's just interpreting the tape and not trying to insinuate that it's saying something about Tannehill.  

He outright says they’re telling Tannehill where to throw the ball, he then goes on to say the part about the honest talks coaches have after he says he’s just reading the film, it definitely reads like he’s implying that it is based on a somewhat negative opinion on Tannehill from the coaching staff

 

Again, I don’t really agree with him. I think the staff are trying to limit turnovers and that’s one way to do it, it’s also fair to say Tannehills strength is not moving through his progressions and navigating the pocket, it’s delivering a supremely accurate ball on time to a receiver whether they’re very open or not, so it would make sense in that way

[Jamalisms]

On my initial listen, I thought he was going out of his way to say that you can't know whether or not that's a constraint due to Tannehill. Listening to it a second time, I think it's easy to read it either way.

 

One thing about Cosell is that he almost never makes value assessments. He'll talk about what he sees on film and he'll talk about football theory. He might say that, based on film, a QB succeeds at X or doesn't succeed at X but that's about as far as you'll get him to go.

 

The very different sort of analyst. There's value in that but you have to be careful trying to interpret his commentary because it comes from a different angle than most.

[Justafan]

33 minutes ago, Jamalisms said:

On my initial listen, I thought he was going out of his way to say that you can't know whether or not that's a constraint due to Tannehill. Listening to it a second time, I think it's easy to read it either way.

 

One thing about Cosell is that he almost never makes value assessments. He'll talk about what he sees on film and he'll talk about football theory. He might say that, based on film, a QB succeeds at X or doesn't succeed at X but that's about as far as you'll get him to go.

 

The very different sort of analyst. There's value in that but you have to be careful trying to interpret his commentary because it comes from a different angle than most.

I can see how it can be misinterpreted but he’s pretty clearly saying people will use this to say things about how the coaching staff handles Tannehill but we aren’t part of those conversations so we can’t possibly know. 

[Bongo59]

13 hours ago, IrishTitansFan said:

To be fair, I just listened to the second video and without saying it, Cosell definitely seems to be implying that the half field read stuff is an indictment on Tannehill from the coaching staff. I'm not sure that's what it is, I think they just do not want turnovers no matter what

 

 

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I think many blame Tanny for Downing's lack of experience.  Tanny's execution last year blew, but there was so many things wrong.  Injuries, WR injuries, lack of consistency and the OL was horrible in the pass game.  The TE below avg.  

 

I just think last yr was an aberration for Tanny.  We'll see if I am wrong but I have a sense they will be pretty solid on O if the OL holds up.  

 

The defense has me genuinely giddy.  I think they are gonna be top 5.  The secondary is deep and so is the DL.  LB positions are set.  I think if the O can avg 24 points TN wins 11 games.  If they go above that they could win 13-14 games.  That is how good I think the defense is going to be.  

[big2033]

2 hours ago, VaTitan said:

Did anyone find it strange that Cosell made no mention about how explosive the run game continued to be with Donte Foreman?  Or how he went out of his way to mention Henry's explosive run plays that benefitted the passing game as a missing ingredient last year?

 

This was a great opportunity for him to educate us dummies....I guess they just ran out of time.

 

 

 

 

He said in a video regarding the playoffs that he thinks it's BS.

[pat]

Cossell also noted a surprising amount of chips, including to help Taylor Lewan.

[pat]

Do WRs also have to make reads on passing plays?

[TheBukafax]

11 minutes ago, pat said:

Do WRs also have to make reads on passing plays?

Yes depending on route options.

[oldschool]

1 hour ago, pat said:

Cossell also noted a surprising amount of chips, including to help Taylor Lewan.

 

I really need someone else to verify this because not a single person on this board brought up lewan being helped during the season. If true its a damning statement of Downing as the right side was destroyed all year in pass protection. Lewan at 50% us better than Quessenberry at 100%.

[pat]

2 hours ago, TheBukafax said:

Yes depending on route options.

How much of the scheme simplification might have been for the benefit of WRs pressed into starting duty following injuries?

[Mythos27]

3 hours ago, TheBukafax said:

Yes depending on route options.

Not just option routes either. Even on a slant you run it differently depending on whether you read man or zone. That's the part of adjusting to the NFL that takes the longest for young players. The QB and receiver both have to diagnose the coverage and adjust to it in unison or picks happen. 

[TheBukafax]

56 minutes ago, pat said:

How much of the scheme simplification might have been for the benefit of WRs pressed into starting duty following injuries?

Downing used option routes. I believe it was on one of Tannehills INTs Fitz chose the wrong option and resulted in a pick.

[titanruss]

12 hours ago, Justafan said:

No, that’s Downing’s offense. It has nothing to do with trusting Tannehill. It’s like you hear things smart people are saying, ignore them, and then draw your own conclusions anyway based on whatever you feel. 

 

Again, it would be better to simply not comment than to spread misinformation and get called out for making things up.  

I'll happily agree that the way cosell talks could be interpreted a couple of wats and neither is clear. 
 

But I'm not making shit up. You said you don't communicate well on message boards... well it's likely because you don't read the whole of what I write. 
 

I said there could be a variety of reasons for it - including downings offense and ego.

 

but when the QB fucks up and throws a ball into coverage without looking - that's on the QB. Always. No offense tells the QB to throw it into coverage without looking.  
 

Ya'll can avoid saying the emotionally painful reality - RT sucked ass that day and is quite obviously the reason we lost. If he plays 5% better we win. If he just turns it over 1 or 2 times- we win. The entire rest of the team could have played wayyy past their skill levels and it wouldn't matter for shit as long as the QB turns the ball over all game. There was nearly 3-4 more interceptions. He looked shell shocked and it sucks. 
 

Hopefully it all recovers with better blocking and receiving options and a healthy Henry and Kelly coaching.  But if we have all that and RTs cracks show up again when it matters... the team is going to rip the bandaid off and dump him

[Mythos27]

56 minutes ago, titanruss said:

I'll happily agree that the way cosell talks could be interpreted a couple of wats and neither is clear. 
 

But I'm not making shit up. You said you don't communicate well on message boards... well it's likely because you don't read the whole of what I write. 
 

I said there could be a variety of reasons for it - including downings offense and ego.

 

but when the QB fucks up and throws a ball into coverage without looking - that's on the QB. Always. No offense tells the QB to throw it into coverage without looking.  
 

Ya'll can avoid saying the emotionally painful reality - RT sucked ass that day and is quite obviously the reason we lost. If he plays 5% better we win. If he just turns it over 1 or 2 times- we win. The entire rest of the team could have played wayyy past their skill levels and it wouldn't matter for shit as long as the QB turns the ball over all game. There was nearly 3-4 more interceptions. He looked shell shocked and it sucks. 
 

Hopefully it all recovers with better blocking and receiving options and a healthy Henry and Kelly coaching.  But if we have all that and RTs cracks show up again when it matters... the team is going to rip the bandaid off and dump him

The route wasn't necessarily covered when Tannehill threw it; the DB jumped the route. It's still on Tannehill but the DB just made a really smart play based on film study. A route can look open but when DBs jump a pass they close on it much faster than normal. If you watch the play again, you can see that Tannehill didn't throw without looking. He actually had like 2-3 seconds to watch the route develop after the play action. If anything, he's guilty of staring that route down and making it even easier on Bates which is why I still put it on him.

 

 

[OILERMAN]

5 hours ago, oldschool said:

 

I really need someone else to verify this because not a single person on this board brought up lewan being helped during the season. If true its a damning statement of Downing as the right side was destroyed all year in pass protection. Lewan at 50% us better than Quessenberry at 100%.

 

I think the fact Lewan missed 5 starts and got help like this is exactly why he seriously thought he might get cut. He really thought he was in danger. 

 

Hopefully the fact he's been injured the last two off seasons and is finally healthy he'll return to form