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17 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

This is exactly the deal(whatever the deal is) dan was hoping Trump would get!!!

It’s comical .  The “deal” that we end up getting will be worse than whatever we got before we went in .

 

 

He wasted lives,money, economies to get something significantly worse in the long haul. If he did absolutely nothing we would be better off.

 

But that’s the Trump way and always has been .  Even down to the enriching yourself before moving on.  Actually reminds me of a line near the Great Gatsby at the end about the Buchanan’s destroying stuff (lives) and moving on.

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1 hour ago, OILERMAN said:

This is exactly the deal(whatever the deal is) dan was hoping Trump would get!!!

@Titandan  said he just wanted to win.  When I asked if winning included regime change and recovering their uranium,  he said YES to both.  We'll see, but there was a report today that Trump was backing off both goals.

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11 minutes ago, ctm said:

@Titandan  said he just wanted to win.  When I asked if winning included regime change and recovering their uranium,  he said YES to both.  We'll see, but there was a report today that Trump was backing off both goals.

The interesting part will be watching Israel. They've openly claimed a veto in the matter and it would be up to Trump calling off his dual citizens in Kushner and Witkoff to back them down and reassert the dominant position in the relationship. 

 

They brought us into this war. If they aren't satiated they can sabotage any negotiations with strikes against the negotiators. 

 

The other side of this is Saudi Arabia. Israel doesn't mind a completely collapsed Iran. Saudi Arabia does, but they also do not want to see a retrenchment, which is exactly what's happening. The precedent of shutting down the Straight is set. That deeply affects their security, especially if the regime remains. 

 

Counter opposing goals between the instigators makes the bullshit offramp we are being sold even less feasible, and that's especially so for long-term guarantees. 

 

What we know for sure is this accelerates China's transition to renewables while the idiots in our government are paying a billion dollars to a French company not to build wind turbines that would have produced power to 1 million homes. 

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28 minutes ago, ctm said:

@Titandan  said he just wanted to win.  When I asked if winning included regime change and recovering their uranium,  he said YES to both.  We'll see, but there was a report today that Trump was backing off both goals.


I don't care who's in charge.  As long as they stop funding terrorists, stop developing nuclear bombs , and leave us and our allies alone.  And yes, I think recovering the uranium should be a part of the deal since they should have no need for it.  

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7 minutes ago, Titandan said:


I don't care who's in charge.  As long as they stop funding terrorists, stop developing nuclear bombs , and leave us and our allies alone.  And yes, I think recovering the uranium should be a part of the deal since they should have no need for it.  

You said regime change was part of winning.  You backing off that?

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2 hours ago, ctm said:

You said regime change was part of winning.  You backing off that?


I find it hard to achieve the things I've listed without regime change because these people are literally in a cult. 

But who knows?  Maybe money talks...

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