Jerry Blair Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Now answer my questions. Good luck with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Yes. Now answer my questions. Yeah I think we would've been better prepared for the pull out from Afghanistan under Trump. I don't think we would've left that much weaponry over there either. Just my opinion. Just think Biden is incompetent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Titans279 said: His words are 100% in line with how the withdrawal happened and how we’ve handled the post withdrawal. He doesn’t care about any of those people. You decided to leave out the most poignant parts of his quotes for a reason. I didn't say I disagree with you. I've said the opposite actually while maintaining context. There was no way to get out all of those people in that amount of time. The other choice was open warfare. Those were the choices. His callous language likely stemmed from his ethos of "I'm not sending my boy over there" for such causes. I don't have to like it or agree with it. I listened to a segment on NPR the other day that was really horrible about what's happening there. His mindset is essentially that the US has done enough to destroy them already. Look at Libya and Syria. At least appreciate that was his point. tgo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Jerry Blair said: Good luck with that. He did. Headhunter is an asshole, but that's because he is being treated like one. For good reason in my book, but nonetheless I think he's genuine except when he's openly fucking around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, headhunter said: Yeah I think we would've been better prepared for the pull out from Afghanistan under Trump. I don't think we would've left that much weaponry over there either. Just my opinion. Just think Biden is incompetent While I think the same military would have been handling the logistical issues 5 months before, which means they would have had even less time to prepare. The choice was war after an agreed detente or to withdrawal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 minute ago, IsntLifeFunny said: While I think the same military would have been handling the logistical issues 5 months before, which means they would have had even less time to prepare. The choice was war after an agreed detente or to withdrawal. I just don't like how we got out of Afghanistan, it was an embarrassment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiscotitansfan Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: While I think the same military would have been handling the logistical issues 5 months before, which means they would have had even less time to prepare. The choice was war after an agreed detente or to withdrawal. You mean to tell me that Biden didn't actually make the call to the generals and tell them how to do their job?!? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Titans279 said: Yeah, once he became President it was his decision to honor the withdrawal or not. He pushed it back a little and ultimately decided it was the right thing to do no matter the outcome. If it wasn’t “on him” then it also seems weird to list it as a Biden accomplishment. If we’re not putting timing on him then we’re left with execution, and the execution was catastrophically horrible lol The execution was not catastrophically horrible. That's absurd lol. tgo, LongTimeFan, and headhunter 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, headhunter said: I just don't like how we got out of Afghanistan, it was an embarrassment I don't either. It was always going to be a bad situation. We pumped in almost a trillion dollars to hold take over and prop up a country that never wanted to fight. That wasn't on Trump and it wasn't on Biden. It was a massive mistake to think you could take so many competing factions and try to unify them. Also, the US Military is not made for such operations. I would hope going forward at least that much is clear. Starkiller, and tgo 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: You decided to leave out the most poignant parts of his quotes for a reason. I didn't say I disagree with you. I've said the opposite actually while maintaining context. There was no way to get out all of those people in that amount of time. The other choice was open warfare. Those were the choices. His callous language likely stemmed from his ethos of "I'm not sending my boy over there" for such causes. I don't have to like it or agree with it. I listened to a segment on NPR the other day that was really horrible about what's happening there. His mindset is essentially that the US has done enough to destroy them already. Look at Libya and Syria. At least appreciate that was his point. Nothing he says shows that he cares about either the Vietnamese people or Afghan people, and his actions certainly didn't. I'm confused why you think he cares about them! It makes no sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Titans279 said: Nothing he says shows that he cares about either the Vietnamese people or Afghan people, and his actions certainly didn't. I'm confused why you think he cares about them! It makes no sense. I didn't say he cared for them. I said that even if his words were callous it stemmed from a viewpoint that enough is enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 Just now, IsntLifeFunny said: I didn't say he cared for them. I said that even if his words were callous it stemmed from a viewpoint that enough is enough. So... His words and actions show a callous disregard for those people..? What are you mad at me about then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted July 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, headhunter said: I just don't like how we got out of Afghanistan, it was an embarrassment And the main reason was the fact that the Afghan government and military rapidly collapsed as the Taliban advanced in keeping with the agreement that had been executed. The failure on the part of the US was an intelligence failure in thinking the military could hold out for several months instead of evaporating in a few days. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 Just now, Titans279 said: So... His words and actions show a callous disregard for those people..? What are you mad at me about then? ...I'm not. I said you left out the full context of his quote. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 minute ago, tgo said: And the main reason was the fact that the Afghan government and military rapidly collapsed as the Taliban advanced in keeping with the agreement that had been executed. The failure on the part of the US was an intelligence failure in thinking the military could hold out for several months instead of evaporating in a few days. Yep. I can't blame them either. They knew we were leaving and their government wasn't even involved in the negotiations. Why would anyone fight for such bullshit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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