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Rogue Posted June 5, 2021 Report Share Posted June 5, 2021 5 hours ago, tgo said: Well, it is their right to do so. It's certainly complicated, but the phenomenon exists that some people can make more from unemployment with the added supplement than getting a job. Back in the first federal supplement when this started, a friend in the sticks said co-workers complained about the supplement running out because they made more money from unemployment. Part of my issue with these stimulus packages is it isn't regulated in regards to the economic landscape of location. People in the sticks might be better off on unemployment, while people in the urban areas might still be struggling even with the supplement. I guess that adds 100s more pages to a bill. Anyways, yeah, I have to wonder how much of the supplement has deterred job growth. It's not an unreasonable question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 As usual democrats can't get out of their own way. The John Lewis Votkng Rights Act should have always been the target. Now it will look like settling to the progressive base. IsntLifeFunny, and luvyablue256 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 24 minutes ago, oldschool said: As usual democrats can't get out of their own way. The John Lewis Votkng Rights Act should have always been the target. Now it will look like settling to the progressive base. Or pass the John Lewis act and then break up certain parts of H.R. 1 and vote on them. If a Dem doesn’t want to vote for it they’ll have to explain that to their base. oldschool, and luvyablue256 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Or pass the John Lewis act and then break up certain parts of H.R. 1 and vote on them. If a Dem doesn’t want to vote for it they’ll have to explain that to their base. But Lord Bernie says that's considered evil incrementalism. Hence why I maintain that his 2016 Eval Kanieval act was damaging to Democrats long term. In the post-Bernie 2016 climate, Democrats can no longer attempt to govern with rationality. They have to contort themselves to appease an irrational base that they need to remain engaged... HR1 wouldn't even exist because Democrats would have already settled on the JLVRA and would likely have had 10 GOP Senators in the work. But instead, HR1 was sent to committee where both Dems and Republicans got heated at times over it. Edited June 8, 2021 by luvyablue256 Titans279 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 50 minutes ago, luvyablue256 said: But Lord Bernie says that's considered evil incrementalism. Hence why I maintain that his 2016 Eval Kanieval act was damaging to Democrats long term. In the post-Bernie 2016 climate, Democrats can no longer attempt to govern with rationality. They have to contort themselves to appease an irrational base that they need to remain engaged... HR1 wouldn't even exist because Democrats would have already settled on the JLVRA and would likely have had 10 GOP Senators in the work. But instead, HR1 was sent to committee where both Dems and Republicans got heated at times over it. 10 GOP Senators aren't voting for anything Biden wants to do. OILERMAN, MadMax, Starkiller, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 1 minute ago, reo said: 10 GOP Senators aren't voting for anything Biden wants to do. That’s likely true, but when you have a unified caucus it’s much better optics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 Just now, IsntLifeFunny said: That’s likely true, but when you have a unified caucus it’s much better optics. Odds are they're pushing this one so they can then "settle" on the seemingly weaker of the 2 bills. And if both of those fail, they focus on filibuster reform. Manchin is being given an opportunity right now to prove that the GOP will negotiate in good faith w/ the infrastructure bill. If he fails, he's in a weaker position when they move to HR1 and the JL act. And if all of that fails, he's got no legs to stand on when it comes to filibuster reform. These next few months will be about proving Manchin wrong but he'll resolutely stick to his guns and state his case until he's proven wrong. Democrats biggest weakness is that a lot of them actually believe in democracy and negotiating w/ the other side. IsntLifeFunny, and luvyablue256 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 39 minutes ago, reo said: 10 GOP Senators aren't voting for anything Biden wants to do. They already have, on multiple occasions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 32 minutes ago, reo said: Odds are they're pushing this one so they can then "settle" on the seemingly weaker of the 2 bills. And if both of those fail, they focus on filibuster reform. Manchin is being given an opportunity right now to prove that the GOP will negotiate in good faith w/ the infrastructure bill. If he fails, he's in a weaker position when they move to HR1 and the JL act. And if all of that fails, he's got no legs to stand on when it comes to filibuster reform. These next few months will be about proving Manchin wrong but he'll resolutely stick to his guns and state his case until he's proven wrong. Democrats biggest weakness is that a lot of them actually believe in democracy and negotiating w/ the other side. The underlined is a necessity more than a desire. Many Dems can't win elections without at least giving a chance at bipartisanship or some semblance of moderation. Republicans really can't either. They went far right for 4 years and lost big in 2020. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 12 minutes ago, luvyablue256 said: They already have, on multiple occasions. like what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) 43 minutes ago, oldschool said: like what? The covid hate bill that was pushed after the Asian massacre. That bill didn't have enough GOP support at first. It got reworked and passed with ease. The question now is how to get a similar result from the John Lewis bill. You'll have to make a concession on something in it and probably add something to election security to appeal to conservatives and hope they don't grin-fuck you. Edited June 8, 2021 by luvyablue256 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 4 hours ago, luvyablue256 said: But Lord Bernie says that's considered evil incrementalism. Hence why I maintain that his 2016 Eval Kanieval act was damaging to Democrats long term. In the post-Bernie 2016 climate, Democrats can no longer attempt to govern with rationality. They have to contort themselves to appease an irrational base that they need to remain engaged... HR1 wouldn't even exist because Democrats would have already settled on the JLVRA and would likely have had 10 GOP Senators in the work. But instead, HR1 was sent to committee where both Dems and Republicans got heated at times over it. This is a ridiculous post lol WG53 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 2 hours ago, luvyablue256 said: The covid hate bill that was pushed after the Asian massacre. That bill didn't have enough GOP support at first. It got reworked and passed with ease. The question now is how to get a similar result from the John Lewis bill. You'll have to make a concession on something in it and probably add something to election security to appeal to conservatives and hope they don't grin-fuck you. The John lewis voting rights bill is DOA due to the filibuster. I agree with the Biden Administration's early strategy of trying to go the bipartisan route to show the American people they were willing to engage but that strategy has run its course. Its time to move on and pass whatever you can via reconciliation which will give the Dems the best chance to retain the House and win additional seats in the Senate. Manchin's idea of bipartisan doesn't exist anymore and hasn't for quite some time. ctm, reo, and luvyablue256 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9661781/Hunter-Biden-used-n-word-multiple-times-casual-conversation-text-messages-show.html Not a thing will come from the usual race baiting hypocrites Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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