ICE Murders Innocent Person in Minneapolis

[reo]

Just now, MadMax said:

This asshole has never had real responses.   He put me on ignore because I kept pointing out he's just JAQing us off.  I put him on ignore because of his bullshit about being better than everyone else.  He's a pussy.  Period.  Fuck him.

 

he's definitely a disengenious little prick... it usually shows when he's lost or is losing an argument. No surprise it's showing up now.

[Number9]

On 1/13/2026 at 6:57 PM, Little Earl said:

Why didn’t Stewart discuss the disconnect between the lefts reaction to the Charlie Kirk assassination and Good’s death?   

Little Earl we got to do something.  You might not be old as me, but I grew up when we said "The Pledge of Allegiance to American Flag and the Government it serves."  I might not have mixed up some words, but you get what I mean.

 

Now, when I was growing up things weren't right about equal treatment, but that was on a different level than we lived.  I came from a nice family.  My friends and I ran all around Nashville.  We have some run in's with the police, but they didn't come to the door grabbing their pistols.  They would listen to our lies about why we were speeding, laugh and send us on our way.  I didn't grow up afraid of the police, except hope I didn't get a speeding ticket.

 

This militia that's being sent into our cities is scary.  They are reminiscent of the gestapo we used to see at the movies.  I remember one movie, the only movie I ever cried.  Our boys had a dog that lived with their troop.  The Nazi overran their camp and they barely got away.  The little dog got left behind.  The Nazi killed him with their rifle handles.  You could hear him whine.  I cried.  I hated Nazi's.

 

What happened to us?  How did we get from there to here?  

Ike told us.  "Beware of the Military Industrial Complex."   Industry is Big Business

 

Now, illegal immigration is illegal.  eos.  BUT what is beginning now is different.  These ICE agents are grabbing people and asking questions later.  The illegals who started coming here welcomes by R's came here to work in agriculture and take low paying jobs we didn't want.  Everybody happy, except Shirley Chisholm.  She believed they would be taking jobs from the poorest Americans.

 

So, my question to you is are you comfortable with Government Police send workers into out cities.  Mind you the problem was supposed to be illegals just walking over the border.  Do you think we may be starting something that might outgrow us?  As the wealth difference continues to grow, many more people might become undesirable.  What if one of us or our children end up poor.  Do we want ICE agents to vet them?  We both have to admit this ain't how we expected it to go.

 

Also, how long ar these government agents going to be patrolling out streets and probably expand to many of our suburbs as gentrification sends more people out of our large metropolitan areas.  I think we need to be aware of how things can go.  The ICE agent isn't given the kind of train our police have.  We already have problems with our well trained police overstepping their rolls.  It's long been known a blowjob could get a pretty woman a pass on a traffic ticket.

 

Lastly, who are these agents?  I have seen the ads that don't seem to require much training an as poor as we have become, paying the 50K to sign up will attract the wrong people.  Think of the people you know who would take a job like that.  Also, who will feel comfortable surrounded by these people everyday.  

 

We need to really consider do we want these type to have control over us.

God Bless You

[LongTimeFan]

16 hours ago, reo said:

 

he's definitely a disengenious little prick... it usually shows when he's lost or is losing an argument. No surprise it's showing up now.

What argument do you believe I'm losing?

 

I stopped posting because the debate is stale. You believe the agent murdered Good. I believe it was self defense. No one is moving on their opinion.  

 

You, and your brethren here, started by saying she was just coming out of her driveway or was only in the road for a moment or she was just an observer and she didn't even hit the officer.  All proven incorrect.

 

She made a series of bad decisions that led to her being shot and killed. All of those actions dont matter to you, only the split second decision the agent made. And you have even more idiots blocking ICE vehicles and smashing windows and now stealing ICE guns and ammo and documents. Your political leaders are telling the sheep to resist and, derp, they do.

 

And for what? To protect criminal illegals with valid detainers signed by a judge? Criminals that could be picked up in jail most of the time but the local government would rather release them go back into the community where ICE needs to then go and get them.

 

Why are there THOUSANDS more arrests in TX and FL with few problems? Oh, because most local governments COOPERATE with ICE.

 

Keep supporting law breakers if you want. I dont care.

[tgo]

 

[Oilertattoo]

[reo]

1 hour ago, LongTimeFan said:

What argument do you believe I'm losing?

 

I stopped posting because the debate is stale. You believe the agent murdered Good. I believe it was self defense. No one is moving on their opinion.  

 

You, and your brethren here, started by saying she was just coming out of her driveway or was only in the road for a moment or she was just an observer and she didn't even hit the officer.  All proven incorrect.

 

She made a series of bad decisions that led to her being shot and killed. All of those actions dont matter to you, only the split second decision the agent made. And you have even more idiots blocking ICE vehicles and smashing windows and now stealing ICE guns and ammo and documents. Your political leaders are telling the sheep to resist and, derp, they do.

 

And for what? To protect criminal illegals with valid detainers signed by a judge? Criminals that could be picked up in jail most of the time but the local government would rather release them go back into the community where ICE needs to then go and get them.

 

Why are there THOUSANDS more arrests in TX and FL with few problems? Oh, because most local governments COOPERATE with ICE.

 

Keep supporting law breakers if you want. I dont care.

 

 

I’m not conceding that she “made a series of bad decisions,” because that framing is doing work you haven’t justified.

 

What I’ve said, consistently, is that even if you believe some of her actions were unlawful or ill-advised, they still do not determine whether lethal force was justified at the moment it was used. That’s a legal distinction, not an emotional one.

 

You keep treating causation as justification: “she did X, therefore the shooting was justified.” That is not the standard. The standard is whether, at the moment the trigger was pulled, a reasonable officer faced an imminent, unavoidable threat of death or serious bodily harm. Spoiler alert... he did not.

 

That’s why the focus stays on that split second,  not because earlier events “don’t matter,” but because they don’t carry the same legal weight as the decision to use lethal force.

 

Dragging in immigration policy, protests, or what other states do with ICE doesn’t answer that question. It just avoids it.

 

If you think the officer met that standard at the moment he fired, argue that. If not, changing the subject doesn’t make the killing justified.

[LongTimeFan]

56 minutes ago, reo said:

 

 

I’m not conceding that she “made a series of bad decisions,” because that framing is doing work you haven’t justified.

 

What I’ve said, consistently, is that even if you believe some of her actions were unlawful or ill-advised, they still do not determine whether lethal force was justified at the moment it was used. That’s a legal distinction, not an emotional one.

 

You keep treating causation as justification: “she did X, therefore the shooting was justified.” That is not the standard. The standard is whether, at the moment the trigger was pulled, a reasonable officer faced an imminent, unavoidable threat of death or serious bodily harm. Spoiler alert... he did not.

 

That’s why the focus stays on that split second,  not because earlier events “don’t matter,” but because they don’t carry the same legal weight as the decision to use lethal force.

 

Dragging in immigration policy, protests, or what other states do with ICE doesn’t answer that question. It just avoids it.

 

If you think the officer met that standard at the moment he fired, argue that. If not, changing the subject doesn’t make the killing justified.

Spoiler alert. Same stale argument. 

 

Officer's judgement, not mine, not yours. Should i believe a veteran with 20 yrs experience or a keyboard warrior?

 

I got shit to do. Have a great rage filled day!!

[reo]

3 minutes ago, LongTimeFan said:

Spoiler alert. Same stale argument. 

 

Officer's judgement, not mine, not yours. Should i believe a veteran with 20 yrs experience or a keyboard warrior?

 

I got shit to do. Have a great rage filled day!!

 

This isn’t about trusting you or me or anyone else. It’s also not about “keyboard warriors.”

 

An officer’s experience doesn’t make their judgment self-justifying. The entire point of use-of-force law is that an officer’s belief has to be reasonable, not merely asserted.

 

If experience alone were enough, there would be no investigations, no body cams, no prosecutions, and no standards at all. “He believed it” would end every case.

 

So I’ll ask the same question you keep avoiding:

What is the limiting principle?
At what point does lethal force stop being justified once the officer is no longer in the vehicle’s path?

 

If you don’t want to answer, that’s fine. But “trust the officer” isn’t a standard, it’s a slogan.

Edited January 15 by reo

[MadMax]

1 hour ago, reo said:

 

This isn’t about trusting you or me or anyone else. It’s also not about “keyboard warriors.”

 

An officer’s experience doesn’t make their judgment self-justifying. The entire point of use-of-force law is that an officer’s belief has to be reasonable, not merely asserted.

 

If experience alone were enough, there would be no investigations, no body cams, no prosecutions, and no standards at all. “He believed it” would end every case.

 

So I’ll ask the same question you keep avoiding:

What is the limiting principle?
At what point does lethal force stop being justified once the officer is no longer in the vehicle’s path?

 

If you don’t want to answer, that’s fine. But “trust the officer” isn’t a standard, it’s a slogan.

Give it up dude...  He's never going to answer your question.   

[reo]

Just now, MadMax said:

Give it up dude...  He's never going to answer your question.   

 

If not, that's on him, not me.

[MadMax]

insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result

 

 

-a pretty smart guy

[IsntLifeFunny]

Whether the homicide was justified is contentious. I think the video shows a murder. If he had of only shot once and it fatally struck her that's a different story. He didn't. He fired twice more, with the last one being as the officer was clearly no longer in danger. 

 

Besides that, why are the Feds shutting down the investigation. I thought y'all were all about State's rights? Literally everything you said you've ever believed in besides maybe abortion is as fickle as the wind. 

[LongTimeFan]

The Department of Homeland Security says they arrested a man in Minneapolis who assaulted a federal immigration agent while carrying a firearm and box of ammunition on Wednesday night
The incident occurred several hours after DHS says a separate agent was attacked by an illegal migrant from Venezuela with a shovel. The illegal migrant was shot in the leg, causing riots to arise in the city shortly after. 
"Last night during a riot in Minneapolis, a US citizen was arrested for assaulting officers while carrying a firearm," DHS Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin told Fox News Digital. 
"The individual showed up to the protest with a gun and a box of ammunition in a bag," McLaughlin continued. "The individual threatened violence against law enforcement officers while pointing at his bag."

[reo]

3 hours ago, LongTimeFan said:

The Department of Homeland Security says they arrested a man in Minneapolis who assaulted a federal immigration agent while carrying a firearm and box of ammunition on Wednesday night
The incident occurred several hours after DHS says a separate agent was attacked by an illegal migrant from Venezuela with a shovel. The illegal migrant was shot in the leg, causing riots to arise in the city shortly after. 
"Last night during a riot in Minneapolis, a US citizen was arrested for assaulting officers while carrying a firearm," DHS Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin told Fox News Digital. 
"The individual showed up to the protest with a gun and a box of ammunition in a bag," McLaughlin continued. "The individual threatened violence against law enforcement officers while pointing at his bag."

 

Separate incident, separate facts.

 

General unrest or unrelated violence doesn’t retroactively justify lethal force in a specific encounter. Each use of deadly force stands or falls on its own facts at the moment it’s used.

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