TR Conservatives: Let's talk about the right wing civil war and Nick Fuentes

[Mythos27]

@Titandan @Mercalius @Little Earl  @LongTimeFan @KenAmato58

 

As someone on the left that really dislikes his party, I am sympathetic to the desire to ignite a civil war from within. That said, I think Fuentes, while talented, is complete poison to the brand of the right. At the same time, I'm curious how people who are actually on the right view the developing schism between the MAGA and "America First" factions. Here are some things I'm curious to hear about from y'all:

 

Do you feel the coup will work?

 

Are you worried about the division or potential fall-out depending on which side wins out? 

 

Given that support for Israel seems to be the wedge issue, do you think it's worth the headache?

 

Is the civil war not really a thing and being blown out of proportion?

 

@Mercalius I remember you saying once that you were keeping tabs on Fuentes because you saw the threat he posed, would you say what you thought is coming to fruition? What can we expect to see next from the groypers and groyper-adjacent people?

 

I already know the left's answers to all of these questions so while anyone is welcome to discuss these things, I'm more interested in hearing how right wing people are thinking about these issues.

[Little Earl]

I know almost nothing about Fuentes to be able to comment on.    

[Mythos27]

1 minute ago, Little Earl said:

I know almost nothing about Fuentes to be able to comment on.    

Gotcha. What do you make of the developing right-wing schism? Big deal or no deal?

[Mythos27]

1 hour ago, Titandan said:

Don't even know what he's about. He was on Timcast with Kanye once before Kanye did Kanye things and stormed off lol.  

 

Don't understand the anti Israel thing with Tucker, Candace, and Fuentes but just because one is anti-Israel doesn't necessarily make them antisemitic just the way I can be pro America and hate the corruption of our government. 

 

The schism happening within the conservative movement is probably healthy for the party in the long term. But gotta find a healthier way to debate than middle aged soap opera stupidity.  

 

The good thing is that Nick is being interviewed by bigger platforms and people will either see his racism front and center. Reasonable people will either tune him off or he will gain traction within a faction of MAGA and form another party (good for dems).

 

Maybe he can join forces with the Free Palestine crowd based on just that one issue. Who knows? To me, he's irrelevant.  Either way, when the dust has settled, hopefully the best ideas win out and America survives to see another 250 years. 

I think it's an interesting test of the right. You might disagree with what I'm about to say but this is a common opinion on the left. For a long time, the republican party has been courting far right, white nationalists and white supremacists as a voting block. They keep the Fuentes types at an arm's length in public while patting them on the head in private as their attack dogs. The far right doesn't like or trust the Republican party but they accepted their role as a foot in the door of mainstream politics.

 

The far right seems to have outgrown the corner that the establishment put them in and seems poised to launch a tea party like takeover. I don't doubt that they have the energy to kick off a coup but I don't know if they have the financial backing. The tea party did have organic grassroots energy but they also had a shit load of money behind them. IDK how big business feels about groyper rhetoric.

[IsntLifeFunny]

Of course our politics aren't more conservative except the umm removal of Roe V Wade...guess that doesn't count? MAGA aren't traditional conservatives though. They're Christian nationalists, and yes they very obviously court the white nationalists. They literally just platformed Fuentes on Tucker Carlson to the tune of four million listens in a couple days. Fuck out here dum dum. 

Edited November 19, 2025 by IsntLifeFunny

[OILERMAN]

Where does Charlie Kirk fit in?

[WG53]

9 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

Where does Charlie Kirk fit in?

6 feet under ground...

[ctm]

Informal Trump adviser Laura Loomer warned on Tuesday that the Republican Party was experiencing a growing “Nazi problem.”

“I’m going to say it. The GOP has a Nazi problem,” wrote Loomer on social media. “And the more we pretend like we don’t, the worse it’s going to get. We do. Don’t tell me we don’t.”

 

She continued:

 

People can get mad at me for saying this, but it’s true.

I have no problem with people criticizing Israel. I even said end aid to Israel.

But let’s admit this isn’t about Israel.

When you have top podcasters saying Jewish Americans are disloyal, saying Trump is controlled by Jews, saying Jews need to self deport to Israel, Gen Z glorifying Hitler and doing Seig Hiels all over Tik Tok, @TuckerCarlson infiltrating movements to say the people who killed Jesus killed Charlie Kirk at Charlie’s memorial, and acceptance of videos portraying Jews as cockroaches, and glorification of people who go around saying the N world and calling Jews k*kes and saying Hitler is cool and we should have let him win WW2….

 

That is a Nazi problem.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/laura-loomer-warns-the-gop-has-a-nazi-problem/ar-AA1QI34r?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=691dacef139e4237b3dff865e5ceeb59&ei=74

 

[IsntLifeFunny]

When Laura Loomer is the voice of reason your party is in a very dark place. 

[KenAmato58]

20 hours ago, Mythos27 said:

@Titandan @Mercalius @Little Earl  @LongTimeFan @KenAmato58

 

As someone on the left that really dislikes his party, I am sympathetic to the desire to ignite a civil war from within. That said, I think Fuentes, while talented, is complete poison to the brand of the right. At the same time, I'm curious how people who are actually on the right view the developing schism between the MAGA and "America First" factions. Here are some things I'm curious to hear about from y'all:

 

Do you feel the coup will work?

 

Are you worried about the division or potential fall-out depending on which side wins out? 

 

Given that support for Israel seems to be the wedge issue, do you think it's worth the headache?

 

Is the civil war not really a thing and being blown out of proportion?

 

@Mercalius I remember you saying once that you were keeping tabs on Fuentes because you saw the threat he posed, would you say what you thought is coming to fruition? What can we expect to see next from the groypers and groyper-adjacent people?

 

I already know the left's answers to all of these questions so while anyone is welcome to discuss these things, I'm more interested in hearing how right wing people are thinking about these issues.

Fuentes is a piece of shit. He’s no better than Hasan Piker. Those two twats should have gotten whacked long before Kirk, who was very much a moderate compared to either. That statement will trigger many on here, but it’s true. To answer your question though, Fuentes and Candace can’t fuck off fast enough. I don’t keep up with them, though, so I’m honestly not up to date on any impending party drama or civil wars. 

[Mythos27]

2 hours ago, KenAmato58 said:

Fuentes is a piece of shit. He’s no better than Hasan Piker. Those two twats should have gotten whacked long before Kirk, who was very much a moderate compared to either. That statement will trigger many on here, but it’s true. To answer your question though, Fuentes and Candace can’t fuck off fast enough. I don’t keep up with them, though, so I’m honestly not up to date on any impending party drama or civil wars. 

Thank you. I only really ask because at least from the outside the Candaces and Fuentes of the world are looking like a real threat to and from the right. The current sentiment in general seems to be that as Trump enters lame-duck status and loses power/influence these guys will step into more prominent, influential roles on the right. As someone on the left, this all rings true to me but I wanted to see how people who  regularly interact in right wing spaces were reading the situation. 

[KenAmato58]

7 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

Thank you. I only really ask because at least from the outside the Candaces and Fuentes of the world are looking like a real threat to and from the right. The current sentiment in general seems to be that as Trump enters lame-duck status and loses power/influence these guys will step into more prominent, influential roles on the right. As someone on the left, this all rings true to me but I wanted to see how people who  regularly interact in right wing spaces were reading the situation. 

Obviously this little shithead must be resonating with somebody, but in my personal circles I’ve never heard his name mentioned, to be honest. I am in my late 30s though so I might not be his demographic.  Left or right, the kids are not alright. 

[Mythos27]

38 minutes ago, KenAmato58 said:

Obviously this little shithead must be resonating with somebody, but in my personal circles I’ve never heard his name mentioned, to be honest. I am in my late 30s though so I might not be his demographic.  Left or right, the kids are not alright. 

It's coming from people on the left so you'll likely take this with a grain of salt but the current theory of the case is that the Trump administration has gone from being viewed as an exciting, insurgent faction to essentially the "establishment". The "America first" faction has essentially branded the establishment as traitors to their own cause citing issues like support for Israel and reluctance on the Epstein files as evidence. They are also thriving in part because segments of the right resent the fact that they can't disagree with the Trump coalition without effectively being excommunicated by their own "side". Since Fuentes, Candace, and the other more fringe elements have been loudly criticizing the Trump admin for some time legitimately disgruntled MAGA folks, really young people, genuine anti-semites, and everyone in between is flocking to the far right. I guess what I really question is whether MAGA folks see this as a phase or a legitimate coup akin to the tea party movement. 

Edited November 19, 2025 by Mythos27

[KenAmato58]

5 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

It's coming from people on the left so you'll likely take this with a grain of salt but the current theory of the case is that the Trump administration has gone from being viewed as an exciting, insurgent faction to essentially the "establishment". The "America first" faction has essentially branded the establishment as traitors to their own cause citing issues like support for Israel and reluctance on the Epstein files as evidence. They are also thriving in part because segments of the right resent the fact that they can't disagree with the Trump coalition without effectively being excommunicated by their own "side". Since Fuentes, Candace, and the other more fringe elements have been loudly criticizing the Trump admin for some time legitimately disgruntled MAGA folks, really young people, genuine anti-semites, and everyone in between is flocking to the far right. I guess what I really question is whether MAGA folks see this as a phase or a legitimate coup akin to the tea party movement. 

The theory makes sense, on the surface. I guess the big question is how big of a faction is it? I don’t consider myself MAGA, but im not a never trumper or a far right guy either. If it were a spectrum, I’d say I’m somewhere between, “never Trump RHINO,” and MAGA. All that to say, I think it would be best for the country if both the left and right would dissociate from some of the more fringe supporters/members of their parties. MTG and Ilhan Omar really are opposite sides of the same coin. 

[Mythos27]

10 minutes ago, KenAmato58 said:

The theory makes sense, on the surface. I guess the big question is how big of a faction is it? I don’t consider myself MAGA, but im not a never trumper or a far right guy either. If it were a spectrum, I’d say I’m somewhere between, “never Trump RHINO,” and MAGA. All that to say, I think it would be best for the country if both the left and right would dissociate from some of the more fringe supporters/members of their parties. MTG and Ilhan Omar really are opposite sides of the same coin. 

What's concerning about this is that this isn't an issue that rhetoric can fix. Americans have become increasingly tired of bearing pain. Income inequality has reached a point where even people who were staunchly pro-business conservatives are starting to look at the uber wealthy with the side-eye. Over the last decade plus, conditions have been worsening for the average American despite the promises coming from the "center" of both parties. They tried Trump and their lives got worse. They tried Biden and their lives got worse. Now they're back to Trump and nothing is getting better. It makes sense that people are turning to the fringes. Exploding inequality leading to radical politics is a tale as old as time. This doesn't go away until Americans stop feeling economic precarity and we're so far away from that, that I worry about the damage that can be caused by the time we get there.