The path to the 1st overall pick

[japan]

9 hours ago, charleytolar said:

It was a great draft period.... with a big mistake though. If you can still worship Conklin, I can still rue the price paid for him-- it approximates what the Chiefs paid for Patrick Mahomes. You can stretch like that for a QB but not for a RT.

I know, I know. It could have been the perfect draft if we didn’t pick that 2 time all-pro. You know that Tolar would have lost his mind if he was a chiefs fan and thy traded up for Mahomes. ‘You don’t trade that kind of capital!!’

[AussieTitanFan08]

Just a reminder what the #1 pick was worth the last time it was traded.

 

 

[Bulluck4dmvp]

Come on, tank commanders!

[NashvilleNinja]

Yeah, that's a tasty trade package. I don't expect we'd be able to get a top tier player to go along with the picks, but who knows? Jets anybody? Garrett Wilson anybody?

[charleytolar]

9 hours ago, japan said:

I know, I know. It could have been the perfect draft if we didn’t pick that 2 time all-pro. You know that Tolar would have lost his mind if he was a chiefs fan and thy traded up for Mahomes. ‘You don’t trade that kind of capital!!’

I literally just wrote that you only stretch a trade-up like that for a QB. Just quit...

 

You accuse me of complaining just to complain and yet that is all that you do yourself-- funny how that works! I have a rationale that was legitimate and announced at the moment of the trade and has only become more legitimate as careers unfolded.

 

People NOW are loving Borgonzi's commitment to gaining and preserving draft capital. I've always held that opinion. J-Rob was in love with trading up; he did it several times and not to great effect. 

[scine09]

I agree with Charley, it was not a good trade to begin with.  It was almost like Robinson felt like he got this extra draft capital and he couldn't draft all those players so he needed to get rid of some of it.  When you're 3-13 you need more players, not less.

[BeedoeLaw]

4 hours ago, AussieTitanFan08 said:

Just a reminder what the #1 pick was worth the last time it was traded.

 

 

That deal Matt Miller proposed in his mock draft is not remotely close. I understand it is only a 3 spot move, but someone is going to offer a better deal. Two 1st and a 2nd in 27 is not enough.

 

Edit: TBH, I would rather move back another 2 or 3 spots for a better deal. I like Jordan Tyson, but I think there are other WR in this draft that will be just as good. 

Edited 8 hours ago by BeedoeLaw

[scine09]

14 minutes ago, BeedoeLaw said:

That deal Matt Miller proposed in his mock draft is not remotely close. I understand it is only a 3 spot move, but someone is going to offer a better deal. Two 1st and a 2nd in 27 is not enough.

 

Edit: TBH, I would rather move back another 2 or 3 spots for a better deal. I like Jordan Tyson, but I think there are other WR in this draft that will be just as good. 

It's enough if that's all you're getting and you aren't taking a QB to begin with.  Any extra picks you can get when you nd up taking the guy you may have taken anyways at #1 is gravy.

[BeedoeLaw]

3 minutes ago, scine09 said:

It's enough if that's all you're getting and you aren't taking a QB to begin with.  Any extra picks you can get when you nd up taking the guy you may have taken anyways at #1 is gravy.

My point is I feel like you can get more, and the last time #1 was traded proves that. 

[scine09]

Just now, BeedoeLaw said:

My point is I feel like you can get more, and the last time #1 was traded proves that. 

You obviously hold out as long as possible unless a deal comes like the one Chicago got that's too good to pass up.  But if on draft night when you're on the clock if th best you're getting is a 3rd rounder to move down one spot you obviously take it.

[BeedoeLaw]

1 minute ago, scine09 said:

You obviously hold out as long as possible unless a deal comes like the one Chicago got that's too good to pass up.  But if on draft night when you're on the clock if th best you're getting is a 3rd rounder to move down one spot you obviously take it.

That goes without saying, but with the amount of QB needy teams that are likely to be bidding for that pick you are likely to get a better deal than what Miller is suggesting. The last time #1 was traded tells you that. Hell.......we were reportedly offered a better deal for #1 last year.

[ctm]

16 minutes ago, BeedoeLaw said:

My point is I feel like you can get more, and the last time #1 was traded proves that. 

The bears trade and Miller's mock trade isn't an apples to apples comparison.  The bears traded from 1 to 9 and Miller's mock  goes from  1 to 4.  So of course the bears got more.

[rns90]

13 minutes ago, BeedoeLaw said:

That goes without saying, but with the amount of QB needy teams that are likely to be bidding for that pick you are likely to get a better deal than what Miller is suggesting. The last time #1 was traded tells you that. Hell.......we were reportedly offered a better deal for #1 last year.

If they are trading from 1 to 4 next year .  No way they aren’t getting a 2027 first rounder from the Jets.

 

Miller isn’t taking into consideration the “QB tax” the Jets have to pay in order to move up.  Everytime teams move up for a qb they give up more points than whatever chart you are using .

 

They probably aren’t getting the Bears package because it’s a bigger move down but no reason why they can’t get the Jets second rounder + 2027 first rounder at least at a minimum 

[BeedoeLaw]

6 minutes ago, ctm said:

The bears trade and Miller's mock trade isn't an apples to apples comparison.  The bears traded from 1 to 9 and Miller's mock  goes from  1 to 4.  So of course the bears got more.

Right, someone further down will offer a much better deal. I don't think ( I know it is early) there is a player in this draft worth not taking the better deal to move down further. There is no....say Jeremiah Smith in this draft. 

[rns90]

3 minutes ago, BeedoeLaw said:

Right, someone further down will offer a much better deal. I don't think ( I know it is early) there is a player in this draft worth not taking the better deal to move down further. There is no....say Jeremiah Smith in this draft. 

Judging by current standings:  LV, Rams , Cards and Dolphins all need QBs   Those are the teams outside of the top 5.

 

There are enough questions about the top 2 edge guys.  Plus , we need the extra picks badly to build our roster.