Dre'Mont Jones traded to the Ravens

[japan]

1 minute ago, Dinx81 said:

But if you’re “living rent free in his head” and didn’t want to live there for free wouldn’t you be the one paying?

He's living rent free in my head because I'm calling him out for not understanding how deals are made.  Not sure what this guy thinks the Ravens would accept to let this 5th turn into a 4th.  Tolar the definition of naive...

[charleytolar]

9 minutes ago, Dinx81 said:

But if you’re “living rent free in his head” and didn’t want to live there for free wouldn’t you be the one paying?

No, no, no... I don't want to be there but he won't let me go. It's more like a kidnapping and restitution.

 

"Living rent-free" is just a common expression.

Edited November 24, 2025 by charleytolar

[charleytolar]

3 minutes ago, japan said:

He's living rent free in my head because I'm calling him out for not understanding how deals are made.  Not sure what this guy thinks the Ravens would accept to let this 5th turn into a 4th.  Tolar the definition of naive...

You are assuming the playoff requirement was make or break for the Ravens. We don't know that; all we know is that we agreed to it. 

 

 

[japan]

21 hours ago, charleytolar said:

You are assuming the playoff requirement was make or break for the Ravens. We don't know that; all we know is that we agreed to it. 

 

 

Yeah, true. Borgonzi just threw it in for grins….

[charleytolar]

1 hour ago, japan said:

Yeah, true. Borgonzi just threw it in for grins….

.... or he conceded that aspect of the negotiation.  You don't KNOW anything for sure. I'm talking about the process. Neither side had to do ANYTHING but what they BOTH AGREED upon.

 

Could be that the Titans asked for a 4th originally and the Ravens countered with a 6th and the compromise ended up being the 5th with the possibility of it improving to a 4th should DreMont perform to certain expectations (of course)... but the contingencies should end there.

 

Too many other factors (LJ's availability primarily) could impact playoff eligibility that have nothing to do with DreMont's performance and it nothing there should negatively impact that Titans' reward from the trade.

[Bongo59]

Bottom line is I am rooting for two ex Titans to help the Titans out and I have zero problems watching them do it.  

[Callidus]

1 hour ago, japan said:

Yeah, true. Borgonzi just threw it in for grins….

Its a pretty easy to hit escalator as far as trades go. Most of the time its something easy for the team getting the player to skirt their way around. Something like 60% playing time where the team can just intend to never meet. 

[japan]

On 11/25/2025 at 9:15 AM, Callidus said:

Its a pretty easy to hit escalator as far as trades go. Most of the time its something easy for the team getting the player to skirt their way around. Something like 60% playing time where the team can just intend to never meet. 

Of course.  Tolar in tears over something that was bound to happen...

[charleytolar]

1 minute ago, japan said:

Of course.  Tolar in tears over something that was bound to happen...

Any tears are tears of laughter about your dense stupidity on insisting that your assumptions-made are the facts of the matter. When you have no argument, those weak-ass emojis don't do a thing for you. Another bad sign is your proclivity to need to claim your "victories" which are based on assumptions that will buttress your claim.

 

I'm talking about the process not the outcome... or do you disagree that both sides have to agree before anything gets done? It is perhaps not a surprise that a less-experienced GM blinked first and accepted one term that can be manipulated by the other team and another term that probably will have nothing to do with how DreMont Jones performs. 

 

It's not a bad deal; I just wonder if it could have been better.                                      

[japan]

16 minutes ago, charleytolar said:

I'm talking about the process not the outcome... or do you disagree that both sides have to agree before anything gets done? It is perhaps not a surprise that a less-experienced GM blinked first and accepted one term that can be manipulated by the other team and another term that probably will have nothing to do with how DreMont Jones performs. 

                    

Yeah, the Raven were going to attempt not to make the playoffs because that 4th rounder.... 

[japan]

20 minutes ago, charleytolar said:

It's not a bad deal; I just wonder if it could have been better.                                      

 

When you don't live in the real world, everything could have been done better...

 

There has to be some risk involved in bumping up the pick.  That's just how things work in the real world Tolar.  And if for some reason Lamar goes down and they miss the playoffs then so be it.  These were the terms the Ravens would accept.

Edited November 26, 2025 by japan

[titanskick8851]

 

More motivation for Jones to keep that sack count climbing!

[charleytolar]

2 hours ago, japan said:

 

When you don't live in the real world, everything could have been done better...

 

There has to be some risk involved in bumping up the pick.  That's just how things work in the real world Tolar.  And if for some reason Lamar goes down and they miss the playoffs then so be it.  These were the terms the Ravens would accept.

LOL... I'm not disputing what happened, so I am in the real world.

 

The risk was on the Ravens: if Jones performs to a certain level (agreed upon at 1.5 or more sacks) then the pick could improve. Why give them control of the risk?

 

The other condition (making the playoffs) accepted by the Titans almost certainly has nothing to do with the difference between Jones getting 1 sack (too bad for Titans) or 2+ sacks (good for the Ravens on the field but maybe bad in the C-Suite).

 

This should not be that hard to grasp.

[charleytolar]

3 hours ago, japan said:

Yeah, the Raven were going to attempt not to make the playoffs because that 4th rounder.... 

They don't have to try and miss out-- just don't make it a condition. Again, you stoop to the ridiculous to try and buttress your point.

[Callidus]

19 minutes ago, charleytolar said:

They don't have to try and miss out-- just don't make it a condition. Again, you stoop to the ridiculous to try and buttress your point.

Its a good condition for a trade. Like I said before. Its not a hard to hit escalator which makes the team your trading with willing to take it. It also builds in a litttle protection for your team in the event the season goes sideways. 

 

The only thing thay makes the terms weird are that in the real world you pay the full price up front then you would get the refund later(partial refund in this case). In this trade its worded backwards.