rns90 Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 Personally, I think they should trade him because I think slot CB are easy to find. And they have a few in house options they can try out at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamRamrod Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 I can’t think of too many examples of the packers or chiefs using heavy resources on corner. Outside of McDuffie and Charles Woodson, they usually just kind of find guys in the middle to late rounds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryBoats Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 27 minutes ago, ctm said: It's also a fallacy argument to begin with. How other players who have left and then performed is irrelevant to how McCreary will eventually perform elsewhere. If every decent or good players performs better elsewhere, it's a safe assumption that McCreary will do so as well when he's with a better team/coaching staff. As would any player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 4 minutes ago, TerryBoats said: If every decent or good players performs better elsewhere, it's a safe assumption that McCreary will do so as well when he's with a better team/coaching staff. As would any player. There you go again. break down the data for us. Show us over the last 6-7 years, since Jrob first got here, how many players have left the Titans and performed better than when they were here. Make sure you account for normal development. We are also going to need to see how it stacks up the rest of the league. Otherwise you are just in your feelings. DCTitan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 3 hours ago, TerryBoats said: So some shitty coaches - who have either been fired or will be fired in a few months - talked our GM into trading a young talented player because he wasn't taking to their shitty coaching? That doesn't sound like a GM who we can have any faith in to rebuild this roster. Telling a corner to stop hurting the team with dumb penalties and play with a modicum of discipline is not bad coaching; quite the opposite. The player then telling the coaches to pretty much fuck themselves is not brave, alpha behavior; it's childish. DCTitan, oldschool, and Callidus 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryBoats Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 2 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: Telling a corner to stop hurting the team with dumb penalties and play with a modicum of discipline is not bad coaching; quite the opposite. The player then telling the coaches to pretty much fuck themselves is not brave, alpha behavior; it's childish. "Pretty much" meaning you just made that part up. He doesn't seem like a bad guy to me. oldschool 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 (edited) 5 minutes ago, TerryBoats said: "Pretty much" meaning you just made that part up. He doesn't seem like a bad guy to me. Ok. Your coaches speak to you and tell you the changes you have to make to your game because you're hurting the team. You are then asked by the media if you plan to make any changes and you say you feel no need to make any changes to your play, yes that's telling your coaches to fuck themselves in different words. Did you take what I said to mean he literally said the words "go fuck yourself" lol? Edited October 17 by Mythos27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 1 hour ago, freakingeek said: Good luck to the team selling PSLs in the new stadium with a 3 or 4 win season. Don't expect the Titans to start winning any time soon. This is going to take some time. 80% of PSLs are already sold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 1 hour ago, ctm said: It's also a fallacy argument to begin with. How other players who have left and then performed is irrelevant to how McCreary will eventually perform elsewhere. Fallacy just means it's not set-in-stone information to be relied upon when predicting the further. It doesn't mean it's wrong to use that info, just that it isn't always an accurate predictor. if a team keeps releasing well-liked players and they do well elsewhere- you could reasonably conclude there is an issue with evaluation or philosophy that is creating the pattern. No, you can't predict that McCreary will succeed elsewhere- but you could say the odds would be better based on past moves if the staff was consistent. That said, Borgonzi is new and there's not enough info. But of the few fan-liked players that he did let go - Landry and Brownlee - they are doing well elsewhere. DCTitan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: Ok. Your coaches speak to you and tell you the changes you have to make to your game because you're hurting the team. You are then asked by the media if you plan to make any changes and you say you feel no need to make any changes to your play, yes that's telling your coaches to fuck themselves in different words. Did you take what I said to mean he literally said the words "go fuck yourself" lol? His DB coach and D coordinator said in interviews that he didn't need to change anything in the way he plays. - or rather, they agreed with Brownlees statement that he didn't need to change. Edited October 17 by titanruss Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryBoats Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 11 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: Ok. Your coaches speak to you and tell you the changes you have to make to your game because you're hurting the team. You are then asked by the media if you plan to make any changes and you say you feel no need to make any changes to your play, yes that's telling your coaches to fuck themselves in different words. Did you take what I said to mean he literally said the words "go fuck yourself" lol? Do you really think they traded him because of what he said to some reporters after a frustrating loss? I can understand that he's not the type of player that they want. But if becomes a solid starter for the Jets, then the FO should be absolutely slammed for trading a young player in his prime to move up from the 7th to the 6th round. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 (edited) 14 minutes ago, TerryBoats said: Do you really think they traded him because of what he said to some reporters after a frustrating loss? I can understand that he's not the type of player that they want. But if becomes a solid starter for the Jets, then the FO should be absolutely slammed for trading a young player in his prime to move up from the 7th to the 6th round. No. I think they traded him because they wanted to him change the way he played the game and he was unrepentant/refused to take the coaching. I don't care that it went down like that because I think he's JAG. The first thing I taught my kids when they started sports is to be coachable. Someone should've taught Brownlee that. Edited October 17 by Mythos27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 I don't really have a problem with them trading either of those guys. Neither are game changers. I will say, it would surprise me if they move on from McCreary, given the state of the roster, but if he just doesn't fit, then he just doesn't fit. Have to trust the GM to mold the roster in the direction they want and find a coach to work with those players. That's what you paid him to come in here and do. Having said that, also hold that GM accountable if it blows up. DCTitan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 1 hour ago, TerryBoats said: "Pretty much" meaning you just made that part up. He doesn't seem like a bad guy to me. yes because this has any bearing whatsoever on how he acts in practice and how he takes direction from coaches. This an embarrassing leap even for you. Callidus 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryBoats Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 (edited) 3 minutes ago, oldschool said: yes because this has any bearing whatsoever on how he acts in practice and how he takes direction from coaches. This an embarrassing leap even for you. Again, the coaches suck ass and nobody is taking to their directions. I'm not going to sell a player with potential to move up from the 7th to the 6th round just because of the problems that a lame duck coach has with him. You continuously defending every decision that the Titans make when nearly all turn out poorly is far more embarrassing than anything I've said. Edited October 17 by TerryBoats Number9, and oldschool 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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