titanruss Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 39 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: At this point it doesn't seem likely Daenerys is going to have the resources to help Jon fight the Walkers whether she's convinced or not,. Aside from letting him mine the dragon glass. They are probably parting ways for the foreseeable future??? the preview kind of mentions that. they are talking on the beach during a cut-scene and danny says to jon "all my allies are gone - i'm losing" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted July 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 This is a freaking one hour show once a week. Obviously they are not going to be able to put everything in a massive series of books into the show. Character development, strategy and major shifts will have to be done with some sacrifice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) 29 minutes ago, oldschool said: Agreed, lots of really good scenes in this episode but that is besides the point. Cersei went from being isolated and all alone to controlling all but the North and the Vale in one hour of show time. The plot demands it so a penultimate show down between Danny and Cersei can take place, likely to end the season. Well, it's been three episodes in the making, or at least two. I kind of like that Cersei has shifted her misfortune. I just don't like that they've twice now surprised Daenerys forces at critical elements of their plan. The only thing that makes sense is they knew, but Cersei did not know Euron was going to attack Yara's fleet and bring back Ellaria. You may be right, they are on an accelerated pace and may leave holes in the plot line to get it there. Edited July 31, 2017 by Rogue titanruss, and oldschool 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 7 hours ago, Starkiller said: Even Tyrion outright said Cersei would expect it. It's not complicated. And again, they did not leave Kings Landing undefended. They left Casterly Rock undefended. I didn't say undefended, I said less defended. They had no way of knowing Daenerys wouldn't go straight for Kings Landing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 6 hours ago, Mercalius said: Oh and did anyone else think the Mountain looked straight up like Super Shredder tonight? I hate his new armor, personally. Mainly the helmet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jonboy Posted July 31, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 My detailed thoughts now that I've had more time to ponder the episode: - Love the Dany/Jon meeting. Everything about it felt right, from the dragons flying overhead just as Jon says "I'm not a Stark" to Jon refusing to bend the knee. Missandei listing off Dany's numerous accomplishments only to be followed up by Ser Davos saying "This is Jon Snow...he's King in the North" had me laughing aloud. Thought Kit and Emelia did a great job with the scene. The look she gives him when he declines to bend the knee is perfect. It's insane we've had 6 seasons of a show before its 2 biggest characters even meet. I love Jon in the books and the show, but it's still a little annoying how dense they make him in the show at times. I mean...did he really expect he could just walk in there and say "Yo, a zombie king is coming for us all so I'm gonna need you to stop what you've been planning for years to come over and help us." Of course, we in the audience know he's right, which is why you side with him in the scene. But as Tyrion later points out, Dany has no reason to trust Jon. Speaking of Tyrion... - I may have enjoyed the Jon & Tyrion scenes even more than the Jon/Dany scenes. As the characters reminisce about the past, the audience too is reminded of the journey and how far we've come. Tyrion's interactions with Jon and Dany were Tyrion at his best. Given his failures planning her attack, it was nice to see him back in his element again and actually pushing the right buttons with Jon & Dany. - I could be reading the scene wrong, but there was something almost mystical about the scene with Melisandre and Varys. This late in the game, you have to assume most everything we see has a fair amount of significance to it. We know about Varys' history with the red priests so his disgust with her is understandable. She seemed to have just as much disdain for him, however. The scene seemed to be positioning Varys as getting a few free shots on Mel telling her never to come back, but then she said she had to come back and die here. Why? Is there some ancient spell binding her to the land? Varys looked truly taken aback when Mel looked back at him and said he too would be forced to die in this land. Most of the reactions I've seen are saying Mel has seen his death in the flames and this scares him, but that doesn't add it up to me. I mean...telling someone they're going to die one day shouldn't elicit the look he gave her. Perhaps Varys still has some secrets yet to be revealed. - Littlefinger is done. Nearly every scene with Sansa shows her has having near total control and power over him. He managed to get a few words in at the end of their scene together, but I think it's only going to end in his demise. - Sansa reuniting with Bran was yet another awesome moment (at least at first). I loved the stare before she goes in for the hug. You could really feel her just taking in the sight of Bran and how much he had changed. The pause also gave the audience time to think back on how much time had passed since their last meeting. Sansa's joy quickly turns to fear when she later realizes the Bran she knew is completely gone and doesn't even resemble the brother she once knew. He also seems to have no interest in being Lord of Winterfell, which I think most predicted. Hopefully Arya reunites with the both of them soon. And then we need Jon to return and complete the rebirth of Team Stark. - Cersei has really upped her game and is just dominating everyone right now. When we entered the season, everything was in Dany's favor so I suppose it makes sense that they're trying to even things out a bit. It's a little surprising how easily she's outplayed Tyrion though. I normally overlook the "teleporter" issues people so often bring up with the show, but even I admit it's kind of getting ridiculous with Euron at this point. Dude builds his ships in what seems like no time, leaves King's Landing and destroys Yara's fleet, and then celebrates in King's Landing only to sail back around the continent to sneak up behind the Unsullied at Casterly Rock. - The second Jon & Dany scene was even better than their first meeting. Considering what she's seen with Drogo and how her dragons were born, she's able to actually consider Jon may actually be telling the truth about the White Walkers. I thought it made sense given the things she has seen. I was actually thinking it previously in the other scenes when she seemed so shocked and almost amused when Jon said "the dead" were their enemy. - The Queen of Thorns totally went out like a boss. She's about to die and still wins the scene with Jaime. What's going to be the final straw for Jaime to finally lose it with Cersei? He's not there yet (somehow...in the show at least). All in all, one of my favorite episodes in quite some time. Will be interesting to see how Dany responds after taking the 2 early L's. One thing I hadn't really considered entering this season...I believe Cersei actually has a chance to end the series still on the throne. I could totally see it playing out similar to what Oilerman predicted earlier where Jon convinces Dany about the White Walkers, they save the world together, then Cersei thanks them with a knife in the back. Would certainly fit the "bittersweet" ending...perhaps a bit heavy on the bitter side. The world is saved! 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cenj Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) There's too much left to happen to not enjoy the show right now, regardless of what D&D do, but count me as one of those who thinks the writing and storytelling is pretty lackluster at this point. They need the plot to go a certain way so they are making it happen, even if characters act off and motivations make no sense. I thought the Jaime jabs were great, but overall the writing was really bad this episode. Good with humor, bad with drama. Olena and Tyrion have become conveniently idiotic, while Euron is a magic plot device who can sneak up on everyone and destroy armies. I've found fan predictions for these episodes way more interesting than what the show is doing. Edited July 31, 2017 by cenj Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Starkiller Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 10 hours ago, OILERMAN said: At this point it doesn't seem likely Daenerys is going to have the resources to help Jon fight the Walkers whether she's convinced or not,. Aside from letting him mine the dragon glass. They are probably parting ways for the foreseeable future??? The dragons and dothraki are pretty formidable on their own. Especially if the unsullied are back in time to fight as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 12 hours ago, OILERMAN said: Seems pretty sloppy to leave the Tyrells so vulnerable, Tyrion has to take the blame here. I guess Jamie recruiting the one dude who was suppose to be a Tyrell ally swung it Yes, Cersei and Jamie turned the Tyrell bannermen. If you think about it, that would be a huge portion of the Tyrell army. Certainly their best commander in Lord Tarley, the only man to defeat Robert during the rebellion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 I enjoyed the episode but it was definitely rushed and relied on a whole lot of convenience to have the turn of fates for the Lannisters. No proper battle scenes and only a narrated montage with the classic secret entrance highlight that this week but there was much more than that. But that's what the show is at this point. It's not expertly crafted plots that shock and surprise you with legitimate stuff that relies on groundwork subtly presented over the course of time. It's secret reveals of unknown and unpredictable things, like a new spell to solve every Harry Potter dilemma. And I'm ok with that. I enjoyed the Harry Potter books despite that they were bubble gum. And I enjoy this show. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 2 hours ago, Starkiller said: The dragons and dothraki are pretty formidable on their own. Especially if the unsullied are back in time to fight as well. The dragons are formidable, but I suspect at least two of them are going to die soon, if not all 3, thanks to Qyburn and his damn Xbow (if you've ever played clash of clans you'll get that joke) Hopefully the Unsullied will pick up some allies on their way back across Westeros, if they make it that far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonboy Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Jamalisms said: I enjoyed the episode but it was definitely rushed and relied on a whole lot of convenience to have the turn of fates for the Lannisters. No proper battle scenes and only a narrated montage with the classic secret entrance highlight that this week but there was much more than that. But that's what the show is at this point. It's not expertly crafted plots that shock and surprise you with legitimate stuff that relies on groundwork subtly presented over the course of time. It's secret reveals of unknown and unpredictable things, like a new spell to solve every Harry Potter dilemma. And I'm ok with that. I enjoyed the Harry Potter books despite that they were bubble gum. And I enjoy this show. https://media1.giphy.com/media/720g7C1jz13wI/giphy.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 10 minutes ago, Jonboy said: https://media1.giphy.com/media/720g7C1jz13wI/giphy.gif I only watched the first movie, though. Those were dumpster fire abominations of bad child acting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 5 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: I only watched the first movie, though. Those were dumpster fire abominations of bad child acting. How would you know if you only watched the first one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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