oldschool Posted September 29, 2025 Report Share Posted September 29, 2025 3 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: I just think it's a flawed way of looking at it. They would have a higher success rate with PA, ergo more opportunity to keep the ball. I'm not saying it is some cure all, but the lack of it when it is by far the easiest way to move the ball through the air is glaring when looking at our stagnant offense. I would be willing to bet the bulk of the playaction occurs on these few plays where they are ahead of the chains or just got a new set of downs. But if you do the math they are in 2nd and 3rd and long far too often which negates any chance to run playaction effectively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted September 29, 2025 Report Share Posted September 29, 2025 2 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: I just think it's a flawed way of looking at it. They would have a higher success rate with PA, ergo more opportunity to keep the ball. I'm not saying it is some cure all, but the lack of it when it is by far the easiest way to move the ball through the air is glaring when looking at our stagnant offense. They should run the TE down the seam more on PA . From what we’ve seen of Helm he looks like a starting level TE and they should be giving him more targets. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted September 29, 2025 Report Share Posted September 29, 2025 Just now, rns90 said: They should run the TE down the seam more on PA . From what we’ve seen of Helm he looks like a starting level TE and they should be giving him more targets. tictacdumbass has been posting clips all morning that show the Titans going max protect and having only 2-3 options out in routes. No idea if thats norm but I will say that looked to me to be helping the Tackles a lot yesterday. when you go max protect, you need your WR's to win early and they simply didn't imo. I would seriously consider benching Lockett. He is giving them nothing IsntLifeFunny, rns90, and Mythos27 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted September 29, 2025 Report Share Posted September 29, 2025 3 minutes ago, oldschool said: you need your WR's to win early and they simply didn't imo. I would seriously consider benching Lockett. He is giving them nothing It’s just the perfect storm of ineptitude really. I’m a little leinient on Callahan in terms of stuff like this because of the talent issue. The one proven guy in the room has brick hands this year. The other guy looks over the hill and explains why he languished in FA till April. They just lack talent there at WR at this point or they are too inexperienced. Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted September 29, 2025 Report Share Posted September 29, 2025 15 minutes ago, oldschool said: I would be willing to bet the bulk of the playaction occurs on these few plays where they are ahead of the chains or just got a new set of downs. But if you do the math they are in 2nd and 3rd and long far too often which negates any chance to run playaction effectively. 1st and 10 is a great play to use it as is 2nd and 3rd and short, neither of which we ever use. There were plenty of conflicted downs the first 3 weeks where Callahan just called a safe run. Once again, I'm not saying the team would have won those games. I am saying it is coaching malpractice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted September 29, 2025 Report Share Posted September 29, 2025 1 minute ago, IsntLifeFunny said: 1st and 10 is a great play to use it as is 2nd and 3rd and short, neither of which we ever use. There were plenty of conflicted downs the first 3 weeks where Callahan just called a safe run. Once again, I'm not saying the team would have won those games. I am saying it is coaching malpractice. they should absolutely run more playaction on 1st down, no question. But you are crazy if you think yesterday was any different than the first 3 weeks. The team is averaging fewer plays, committing tons of penalties, and averaging less than 4 yards per play. They have been in 2nd and 3rd and long for4 games which contributes to the 13% playaction rate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted September 29, 2025 Report Share Posted September 29, 2025 24 minutes ago, oldschool said: they should absolutely run more playaction on 1st down, no question. But you are crazy if you think yesterday was any different than the first 3 weeks. The team is averaging fewer plays, committing tons of penalties, and averaging less than 4 yards per play. They have been in 2nd and 3rd and long for4 games which contributes to the 13% playaction rate. Yesterday was just as bad. I just meant even with the game situation it's been the same the other 3 weeks where we did have several opportunities on 2nd and 3rd and short. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted September 29, 2025 Report Share Posted September 29, 2025 10 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Yesterday was just as bad. I just meant even with the game situation it's been the same the other 3 weeks where we did have several opportunities on 2nd and 3rd and short. But they didn't... the offense has been in 2nd and 3rd and long the majority of the time. Like I said I bet you the playaction rate when you account for that is more in line with league norms. Pragidealist 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted September 29, 2025 Report Share Posted September 29, 2025 1 hour ago, oldschool said: did you see my response to you a few hours ago with the drvie breakdowns? They simply didn't have the ball enough. Now that being said, at a macro view you are spot on. nearly all teams should use Playaction more often. Its a massive advantage and you don't have to be successful in the run game to use, as we've discussed for years on this board. In the play action stats do they count RPO's? I was wondering while watching if some of the runs and some that looked like playaction were RPO's. Just curious how those skew the stats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted September 29, 2025 Report Share Posted September 29, 2025 41 minutes ago, oldschool said: But they didn't... the offense has been in 2nd and 3rd and long the majority of the time. Like I said I bet you the playaction rate when you account for that is more in line with league norms. It isn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted September 29, 2025 Report Share Posted September 29, 2025 We have not had the doors blown off until the 4th quarter the past 3 weeks. The PA rate was still very low in those 3 quarters the game was close. It would be different if every single week the team was spotting the other team a 14 point lead. TerryBoats 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted September 29, 2025 Report Share Posted September 29, 2025 1 minute ago, IsntLifeFunny said: It isn't. prove it then because I'be shown the past two weeks that is precisely the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted September 29, 2025 Report Share Posted September 29, 2025 (edited) 21 minutes ago, oldschool said: prove it then because I'be shown the past two weeks that is precisely the case. Lol I'm not doing that. The PA rate speaks for itself. We haven't been blown out until the 4th quarter in any of our losses. We have not used much PA during that time. It's very obvious 3 quarters out of 4 games (the Broncos game was close the whole time) wouldn't skew the PA numbers that much. Edited September 29, 2025 by IsntLifeFunny oldschool 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted September 29, 2025 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2025 3rd and long works just as well with play action as normal passes if not better. there's plenty of data that shows that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted September 29, 2025 Report Share Posted September 29, 2025 1 hour ago, titanruss said: 3rd and long works just as well with play action as normal passes if not better. This is absurd titanruss 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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