Brian Callahan

[TerryBoats]

1 minute ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

This whole notion coaching just simply doesn't matter and neither does the offensive play calls is just wild to me. Never seen anything like it on TR, and this is after years and years of harping on Vrabel for being too conservative and not passing/using PA on conflicted downs, which is the same shit we are seeing here. 

I'd say the guy who is responsible for determining the actions of every single player on the field on every single play is pretty important.  Especially since he's also the one who draws up the plays to begin with.  

 

I'm not sure what it is about that job description that sounds simple or nonessential.  If you have an idiot in charge, the offense and everyone in it is going to suffer immensely.

[Mythos27]

44 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

This whole notion coaching just simply doesn't matter and neither does the offensive play calls is just wild to me. Never seen anything like it on TR, and this is after years and years of harping on Vrabel for being too conservative and not passing/using PA on conflicted downs, which is the same shit we are seeing here. 

They're starting to learn how much more important talent is than coaching. It's the lesson that everyone should have learned after the Vrabel ordeal. 

[titanruss]

Talent is more important than coaching in today's game. That does not mean that coaching is not important... but some took it to that extreme based mostly on Brady going to the best roster in the league after he left the Pats... and Bill not being able to win much with a ton of roster exits and losing a HOF/Goat QB. 

 

Back in the 90's and earlier though, I think coaching had a ton more to say in that balance though. A coach can absolutely make the playing fields more even by slowing the game down. I think it takes less athletic ability,  body control, hand-eye coordination to facilitate a run heavy offense than a passing one. 

[IsntLifeFunny]

9 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

They're starting to learn how much more important talent is than coaching. It's the lesson that everyone should have learned after the Vrabel ordeal. 

No one thinks talent isn't more important than coaching. 

 

Do you think this is a poorly coached team? 

[Mythos27]

1 hour ago, Callidus said:

Jrob lucked into a draft haul which is almost wasted, somwhow had one of the best drafts of the last 20 years and got handed tanny.

 

Its a good example of how even an idiot can turn a team around quickly. 

I don't think J-Rob was an idiot. He had a good eye for talent. I think he got too comfortable and arrogant after some early success. He felt he was so good that he could replace ANYBODY without the team missing a beat and went full New England in letting good players go en masse.  A lot is made about the AJ trade but we never really recovered from losing Corey Davis and Jonnu Smith in the same off-season.

 

He also started to push all in during our window and inked some really bad deals chasing pass rushers. I still maintain that he would've gotten away with it had it not been for injuries. 

[Mythos27]

2 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

No one thinks talent isn't more important than coaching. 

 

Do you think this is a poorly coached team? 

Overall? No. In-game coaching yes. And just like you likely feel I don't put enough blame on coaching I feel like y'all don't put nearly enough on talent. Talent can limit coaching far more than coaching can limit talent. I think if we had an OL that could pass protect and receivers that didn't have the highest amount of drops in the league, no one would be talking much about Callahan and we'd likely be 3-1. 

[Callidus]

19 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

I don't think J-Rob was an idiot. He had a good eye for talent. I think he got too comfortable and arrogant after some early success. He felt he was so good that he could replace ANYBODY without the team missing a beat and went full New England in letting good players go en masse.  A lot is made about the AJ trade but we never really recovered from losing Corey Davis and Jonnu Smith in the same off-season.

 

He also started to push all in during our window and inked some really bad deals chasing pass rushers. I still maintain that he would've gotten away with it had it not been for injuries. 

Fair enough, but id say anyone who lets their ego get out of hand was that guy already, they just didnt have a chance for it to be a problem yet. 

[Mythos27]

2 minutes ago, Callidus said:

Fair enough, but id say anyone who lets their ego get out of hand was that guy already, they just didnt have a chance for it to be a problem yet. 

True to an extent. I just think it applies to most humans. People than can prevent success from making them grow over-confident or complacent are rare in my experience. 

[IsntLifeFunny]

21 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

Overall? No. In-game coaching yes. And just like you likely feel I don't put enough blame on coaching I feel like y'all don't put nearly enough on talent. Talent can limit coaching far more than coaching can limit talent. I think if we had an OL that could pass protect and receivers that didn't have the highest amount of drops in the league, no one would be talking much about Callahan and we'd likely be 3-1. 

Okay, so you think the team is well coached but game day duties have been bad. Can you break that down? 

 

I promise I'm genuinely interested in what you mean and this isn't a gotcha. You know where I stand. 

[IsntLifeFunny]

11 minutes ago, Callidus said:

Fair enough, but id say anyone who lets their ego get out of hand was that guy already, they just didnt have a chance for it to be a problem yet. 

I also think and have heard he turned into an alcoholic. That siren can sink a ship really fast. 

[TerryBoats]

58 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

They're starting to learn how much more important talent is than coaching. It's the lesson that everyone should have learned after the Vrabel ordeal. 

The 2022 offense had far less talent than the current group.  Yet Vrabel got better results, even with Willis and Dobbs as the QB.  Maybe you can reconcile how this is possible, because I certainly can't.

[titanruss]

53 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

I don't think J-Rob was an idiot. He had a good eye for talent. I think he got too comfortable and arrogant after some early success. He felt he was so good that he could replace ANYBODY without the team missing a beat and went full New England in letting good players go en masse.  A lot is made about the AJ trade but we never really recovered from losing Corey Davis and Jonnu Smith in the same off-season.

 

He also started to push all in during our window and inked some really bad deals chasing pass rushers. I still maintain that he would've gotten away with it had it not been for injuries. 

 

and Kalif Raymond as our true deep threat. .. and really Lewan too because he went down the next year as a career ender. 

 

 

[Mythos27]

1 hour ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

Okay, so you think the team is well coached but game day duties have been bad. Can you break that down? 

 

I promise I'm genuinely interested in what you mean and this isn't a gotcha. You know where I stand. 

I feel like generally, the team understands the play book and what they're trying to achieve on a given play. The spacing on passing concepts seems appropriate and when the receivers aren't being re-routed the timing seems at least OK. I see the coaches trying to hide the weaker links on the roster but there being just too many weak links or the attempts just not working. When the players execute, you can see what the coaches were hoping for and it looks good (see Ridley's big catch yesterday). I see a concerted effort to get the ball into the hands of the guys supposed to be our biggest play-makers Ayo and Ridley. None of this is exceptional, special, or a sign of amazing coaching. It's the standard stuff you expect to see.

 

The biggest indicator to me that things aren't the mess people think it is behind the scenes is that the best, most consistent performers are rookies that haven't had any other NFL coaches. A combination of their talent (mostly this) and the coaches bringing them along appropriately is allowing them to contribute early. It's not common to have 5 rookies all starting and all contributing. These guys are also the ones making the least mental mistakes which is rare. If the coaches are so incompetent, who got all 5 of these guys ready to play? The fact that these guys have made such an immediate impact and carved out starting roles directly reflects both the coaching they have received and more importantly how weak of a roster this is because there are very few rosters in the NFL where 5 rookies step in and become day 1 starters. Let's also not forget that it would likely be 6 rookies starting if Winston was healthy.  

 

As I've said many times before, none of us really know what is going in that building and that includes me. My guess however, is that like most NFL coaching staffs, this one is average to below average. I defend them on principle, as I would most coaching staffs with the misfortune of having a roster like this. I defended Vrabel, I'm defending this staff, and I'll likely defend the next staff. I will do do until we acquire a level of talent that makes me comfortable saying that the only way we can play that badly is if the coaching is awful. 

[Number9]

2 hours ago, Mythos27 said:

Overall? No. In-game coaching yes. And just like you likely feel I don't put enough blame on coaching I feel like y'all don't put nearly enough on talent. Talent can limit coaching far more than coaching can limit talent. I think if we had an OL that could pass protect and receivers that didn't have the highest amount of drops in the league, no one would be talking much about Callahan and we'd likely be 3-1. 

@Mythos27 I kinda appreciate your football intellect, but you oft times end it with bs.  Callahan is horrible.  EOS.  You could give him any team in the NFL and his record would be 20% to 30% worse than they would be under Vrabel, Harbaugh, Steichen, Bowles and they aren't even considered the league's elite.  The man is not HC material.  He's a grunt.  He can examine the game, design a play and write it up.  He can't implement it.  If you don't believe that-show some evidence.

 

He's the HC of the Titans and they told him to stand on the sideline and stfu.  STFU.  Don't call plays.  Your job is cheerleader during the game.  If you f* that up you're fired.  Let's install the script-you know first series.  "Brian would you go get some coffee and donuts."

 

He's the HC because of the team's reputation.  Bad.  Top FA fly over.

Cheap.  The Jaguars.  The Panthers.  What other team would have hire him? hypothetical 

[IsntLifeFunny]

37 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

I feel like generally, the team understands the play book and what they're trying to achieve on a given play. The spacing on passing concepts seems appropriate and when the receivers aren't being re-routed the timing seems at least OK. I see the coaches trying to hide the weaker links on the roster but there being just too many weak links or the attempts just not working. When the players execute, you can see what the coaches were hoping for and it looks good (see Ridley's big catch yesterday). I see a concerted effort to get the ball into the hands of the guys supposed to be our biggest play-makers Ayo and Ridley. None of this is exceptional, special, or a sign of amazing coaching. It's the standard stuff you expect to see.

 

The biggest indicator to me that things aren't the mess people think it is behind the scenes is that the best, most consistent performers are rookies that haven't had any other NFL coaches. A combination of their talent (mostly this) and the coaches bringing them along appropriately is allowing them to contribute early. It's not common to have 5 rookies all starting and all contributing. These guys are also the ones making the least mental mistakes which is rare. If the coaches are so incompetent, who got all 5 of these guys ready to play? The fact that these guys have made such an immediate impact and carved out starting roles directly reflects both the coaching they have received and more importantly how weak of a roster this is because there are very few rosters in the NFL where 5 rookies step in and become day 1 starters. Let's also not forget that it would likely be 6 rookies starting if Winston was healthy.  

 

As I've said many times before, none of us really know what is going in that building and that includes me. My guess however, is that like most NFL coaching staffs, this one is average to below average. I defend them on principle, as I would most coaching staffs with the misfortune of having a roster like this. I defended Vrabel, I'm defending this staff, and I'll likely defend the next staff. I will do do until we acquire a level of talent that makes me comfortable saying that the only way we can play that badly is if the coaching is awful. 

Good point on the rookies versus vets. I can see where you differentiate the good coaching bad/game management better.

 

With that said, I disagree any staff would struggle this much. The offense with better play calling and around 30% PA would look a lot better. That's just my opinion. If they fire Callahan in a couple weeks maybe we'll see if they take a different approach. 

 

As for the roster, yeah it's definitely bad. No amount of coaching would turn this team into a contender. No one thinks that. There's a difference between being a bad team and not being competitive at the end of the game. We've been blown out an inordinate amount under Callahan. 

 

 

Edited September 30, 2025 by IsntLifeFunny