The Trump Files featuring Jeffery Epstein, MLK, JFK, RFK, Diddy Files

[ctm]

Trump is the most immoral president in American history. Not close.  Republican enablers know this but don't have the balls to publically admitt it or do anything about it.  So the corruption and immorality continues.

[Mythos27]

38 minutes ago, Titandan said:

 

"Allowing?"  I didn't know you were the king of the fucking universe, your majesty.    Even if we are moving the goal post a hundred yards, we are allowed to spout complete and utter nonsense if we want and look like absolute fools. That's the beauty of the first amendment, your grace. 

 

Secondly, what goal post did we move? 

Due process (Innocence until proven guilty) is also part of what makes America a more just place to live. Although I'd love to take credit for this concept rooted in the 5th amendment, due process is not a new fad that @LongTimeFan and I created last week.  I stated multiple times that all we need is one verifiable and reliable accusation to be true.  We aren't talking about mortage fraud, sex with a porn star, or cheating on a spouse.  And I also stated that it is completely within the realm of possibility that Trump was a pedophile. But based on the evidence that's coming out, I just don't think it's probable as this point.  

 

And you liken that to moving the goal post? 

 

By your logic, we should arrest George W Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden (and each of their AG's) since all of them failed to release any and all information on Jeffrey Epstein at one point or another.  

 

And we should arrest any and all people that come up in the Epstein files.  

 

Hadid sisters are mentioned. They probably frauds. But are they also guilty of pedophilia? 

 

Joe Rogan was mentioned. Does he deserve to go to jail? Stephen Hawking and Piers Morgan both are guilty because they are mentioned too?  Hakeem Jeffries, George Clooney, and Elon Musk should all go to jail, right? 

 

Are some of these people probably guilty of something? Most likey. But just because you're mentioned in the Epstein files oesn't mean your guilty of pedophilia. 

 

A lot of innocent people will get defamed just for the fact that they appear on the Epstein files.  Does that matter to you?  I hope so... 

They're allowing you to move the conversation by getting in the weeds with you about whether he raped children and how many he raped. No one is commenting on your right to speak but rather taking issue with your attempts to steer the conversation into more favorable territory. To speak more plainly; you ain't sick. You clearly didn't read what I wrote because my whole point is that the entire conversation while interesting is not necessary to establish that Trump is already a corrupt, pedophile protector based solely on the stuff that is confirmed.

 

Trump knew or had the ability to know what was in these files and he's impeded the release of these files as much as he possibly could. This has at best delayed the justice that should be brought to the sickos in those files. Nothing else is necessary. Allowing you and your ilk to reframe the conversation as no evidence of child rape equaling complete exoneration is bullshit and I'm not going to sit back and watch you do it. Your guy is dirty as fuck in this.  When talking to MTG about her wanting the files released he said to her "my friends will get hurt". At best he's covered up for pedophiles, at worst...well we'll see. He's already guilty of something that should be unforgivable to normal, decent people. So the question isn't is he guilty, it's what else is he guilty of. I'll ask you the same question I asked LTF. How long would you remain close friends with a known sex trafficking pedophile and what would it say about you if you did?

Edited Wednesday at 06:28 PM by Mythos27

[Mythos27]

5 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

Why isn't Ludknick not resigning?

Because he knows this kind of behavior is acceptable under the most corrupt, immoral president in history. He thinks he can ride out the storm and he's probably right. 

Edited Wednesday at 06:20 PM by Mythos27

[Mythos27]

48 minutes ago, ctm said:

Trump is the most immoral president in American history. Not close.  Republican enablers know this but don't have the balls to publically admitt it or do anything about it.  So the corruption and immorality continues.

They talk so much about souls but have no problem selling theirs. I wonder how the plan to explain away their complicity to the lord himself on judgement day. Something tells me "but...but...I just HAD to own the libs" isn't going to cut it. 

[Titandan]

19 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

They're allowing you to move the conversation by getting in the weeds with you about whether he raped children and how many he raped. No one is commenting on your right to speak but rather taking issue with your attempts to steer the conversation into more favorable territory. To speak more plainly; you ain't sick. You clearly didn't read what I wrote because my whole point is that the entire conversation while interesting is not necessary to establish that Trump is already a corrupt, pedophile protector based solely on the stuff that is confirmed.

 

Trump knew or had the ability to know what was in these files and he's impeded the release of these files as much as he possibly could. This has at best delayed the justice that should be brought to the sickos in those files. Nothing else is necessary. Allowing you and your ilk to reframe the conversation as no evidence of child rape equaling complete exoneration is bullshit and I'm not going to sit back and watch you do it. Your guy is dirty as fuck in this.  When talking to MTG about her wanting the files released he said to her "my friends will get hurt". At best he's covered up for pedophiles, at worst...well we'll see. He's already guilty of something that should be unforgivable to normal, decent people. So the question isn't is he guilty, it's what else is he guilty of. I'll ask you the same question I asked LTF. How long would you remain close friends with a known sex trafficking pedophile and what would it say about you if you did?

 

Kind of reminds me of "the Office" episode where the pervert flashes Phyllis.  

 

Dwight turns into super vigilante and he says, "Better 1,000 Innocent Men are Locked Up Than 1 Guilty Man Go Free."

 

It kind of resonated with me as I typically and ideally want to protect women at all costs. But this is not how justice works. We wouldn't be able to have a functioning society if we treated every criminal investigation this way. 

 

A lot of innocent people will forever be labeled as guilty in the court of public opinion solely based on association (no matter how superficial) to Epstein.  Whether we like it or not, that's a real consequence of releasing the files.  And I'm still all in favor of releasing it.  Partially because I believe in transparency and primarily because of my own selfishness and unquenchable curiosity. 

 

For the 15th time, Trump might very well be guilty. Provide the evidence and we will go through it like reasonable adults and either deem it reliable or unreliable.  

 

What you have going against your arguments is the fact that Epstein and Maxwell hated Trump and Epstein actively conspired with Michael Wolff to take down Trump.  The thousands of mentions of Trump's name should already discounted because of the motivation to take him down.  But even in spite of this fact, please feel free to examine each and every accusation against Trump.  If the evidence backs up the claim, even I can be swayed. 

 

But until that happens, I'll judge each document based on the merits of its source. 

[LongTimeFan]

3 hours ago, Mythos27 said:

Everything is a molehill when you have the incentive to minimize and downplay. You're doing with this the same thing you do with anything that ever looks bad for Trump. Just look at your last paragraph, a pure deflection from the topic at hand. No one is buying it anymore. Let me ask you a question; how long would you be "close friends" with a known pedophile, sex-trafficker?

So because Epstein said they were close friends it's true?

JFC, I thought you were a reasonable person but the sheep covering is off. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Titandan]

16 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

They talk so much about souls but have no problem selling theirs. I wonder how the plan to explain away their complicity to the lord himself on judgement day. Something tells me "but...but...I just HAD to own the libs" isn't going to cut it. 

 

I have sinned countless times and I've repented many times throughout my life.  My political beliefs and personal convictions aren't among them.  

 

I have a clear conscience before the Almighty and sleep peacefully at night.  

[Mythos27]

49 minutes ago, Titandan said:

 

Kind of reminds me of "the Office" episode where the pervert flashes Phyllis.  

 

Dwight turns into super vigilante and he says, "Better 1,000 Innocent Men are Locked Up Than 1 Guilty Man Go Free."

 

It kind of resonated with me as I typically and ideally want to protect women at all costs. But this is not how justice works. We wouldn't be able to have a functioning society if we treated every criminal investigation this way. 

 

A lot of innocent people will forever be labeled as guilty in the court of public opinion solely based on association (no matter how superficial) to Epstein.  Whether we like it or not, that's a real consequence of releasing the files.  And I'm still all in favor of releasing it.  Partially because I believe in transparency and primarily because of my own selfishness and unquenchable curiosity. 

 

For the 15th time, Trump might very well be guilty. Provide the evidence and we will go through it like reasonable adults and either deem it reliable or unreliable.  

 

What you have going against your arguments is the fact that Epstein and Maxwell hated Trump and Epstein actively conspired with Michael Wolff to take down Trump.  The thousands of mentions of Trump's name should already discounted because of the motivation to take him down.  But even in spite of this fact, please feel free to examine each and every accusation against Trump.  If the evidence backs up the claim, even I can be swayed. 

 

But until that happens, I'll judge each document based on the merits of its source. 

None of this absolves Trump of how he's handled this and why. I know you want to defend him but you can't. Not on this one. He's already guilty of dragging out this investigation and trying to cover it up for his rich buddies. That's settled.

Edited Wednesday at 07:46 PM by Mythos27

[ctm]

LOL @ trying to dispute whether Trump and Epstein were friends.  Hard to know whether this is just stupidity, trolling, distraction or all of the above.

[Mythos27]

26 minutes ago, LongTimeFan said:

So because Epstein said they were close friends it's true?

JFC, I thought you were a reasonable person but the sheep covering is off. 

 

 

 

 

 

Just because Trump claims that they weren't doesn't mean it's not true. Just to make sure you can't claim plausible deniability here are just a few of the things we know about their relationship. 

• Epstein says they were best friends for 10 years. He had no real incentive to lie unlike Trump.
• Epstein and Trump literally shared a girlfriend
• Epstein and Trump had business deals together
• There are tons of pictures of Trump, Epstein, Melania, and Maxwell hanging out and socializing that span many years
• Epstein introduced Trump and Melania and the first time they hooked up was on the lolita express
• Trump wrote in an entry and drew a lewd sketch for Epstein's 50th birthday book. Trump denied it and it was quickly proven that he lied about how close they were...again

Now contrast this with Trump's summation of their relationship when all of this started; "I barely knew the guy". You're seriously going to sit there and act like I'm the one being unreasonable when looking at that set of facts and concluding that these two were close friends for a long time? Are you ok? Now I see why you completely dodged my question about being close friends with a pedophilic sex trafficker for over a decade. You know better, you're just too entrenched in blind loyalty to be honest. 

Edited Wednesday at 07:25 PM by Mythos27

[Mythos27]

5 minutes ago, ctm said:

LOL @ trying to dispute whether Trump and Epstein were friends.  Hard to know whether this is just stupidity, trolling, distraction or all of the above.

It's frankly, unbelievable. Completely detached from reality. 

[reo]

37 minutes ago, Titandan said:

For the 15th time, Trump might very well be guilty. Provide the evidence and we will go through it like reasonable adults and either deem it reliable or unreliable.  

 

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca2/23-793/23-793-2024-12-30.html

 

The United States District Court for the Southern District of New York held a nine-day trial. The jury found that Trump sexually abused Carroll and defamed her in his 2022 statements. The jury awarded Carroll $5 million in compensatory and punitive damages.

[Stan]

All the evidence that invoked trump has been deleted, destroyed or completely wiped off the face of the planet OH AND OHHHH OHHH OH and the guy that would have had all the answers was killed OFF… that’s right. 

[Stan]

Bondi and Patel have been deflecting for the longest, they continue to deflect and cover and they’ve done an amazing job so far daddy trump is pleased, but where bondi is losing it is she didn’t expect the public to demand the files be released at this clip, she’s gotten so much push back that she’s starting to crack, we saw today’s hearing the bitch is losing it…their playbook is leaking, first it was destroyed evidence, which they done, then it was kill off Epstein which they did, then it was purposely release victims photos and names in the files to cause outrage. I’m telling you it’s only so much covering they can do before Patel, bondi and Mike Johnson start folding under pressure. Bongino already left because he knew the bullshit that was happening. 

[reo]

5 minutes ago, Stan said:

All the evidence that invoked trump has been deleted, destroyed or completely wiped off the face of the planet OH AND OHHHH OHHH OH and the guy that would have had all the answers was killed OFF… that’s right. 

 

The DOJ are not the only people who have these files supposedly. And deleting evidence like that is not that easy especially if it's housed in a SCIF.