Total Trump Victory Celebration Thread

[abenjami]

1 hour ago, Mercalius said:

I think you’re discounting that there were undecided and moderates that the Tulsi/RFK/Shanahan cameos may have spoke to. 

 

I certainly don't claim to be an expert in politics (despite my uncanny ability to 100% predict shit at times) but I don't believe there are actually a lot of "undecided" voters.  I think that is political bullshit both sides like to talk about.

 

IMO, there are not many people who are "undecided" at any given point in time. 

 

There are people who are definitely voting one way no matter what.

 

Everyone else falls into a spectrum in the middle that is more accurately described as "voting one way but open to being swayed to flip sides".

 

 

[Mercalius]

7 minutes ago, abenjami said:

 

I certainly don't claim to be an expert in politics (despite my uncanny ability to 100% predict shit at times) but I don't believe there are actually a lot of "undecided" voters.  I think that is political bullshit both sides like to talk about.

 

IMO, there are not many people who are "undecided" at any given point in time. 

 

There are people who are definitely voting one way no matter what.

 

Everyone else falls into a spectrum in the middle that is more accurately described as "voting one way but open to being swayed to flip sides".

 

 

You’re not wrong.  Especially in the last 15 years or so.  I do think the economy and the tiresome woke nonsense did cause a shift, and possibly the assassination attempt/response, to cause folks in the middle to shift more towards the right when they may not have otherwise.  But generally - yeah, you either hate Trump or you’d go to war for him.  For most people that hasn’t changed.  But small margins matter in elections obviously.  
 

But the they/them ad was absolutely effective.  Not in any way saying it wasn’t.  Ultimately may have been even more effective than the Together ad.  But, attack ads do inherently turn some people off.  And unity ads do sometimes perk people’s ears.  Personally, as a Trump voter, neither ad changed my vote obviously.  But I did feel some MUHRIKA FUCK YEAH within me rise during the Together one.  And hell, some dumbasses still voted RFK in the states he was still on the ballot lol so who knows what affect any of it ultimately had.  Whether folks buy it or not, the concept of a unity party sounds nice.  
 

But the they/them ad was absolutely devastating on a very divisive and important issue (as the exit polls showed) and should be bookmarked for Democratic strategists moving forward.  If they care to actually learn about what voters care about anyway.  

Edited November 14, 2024 by Mercalius

[abenjami]

1 minute ago, Mercalius said:

But the they/them ad was absolutely devastating on a very divisive and important issue (as the exit polls showed) and should be bookmarked for Democratic strategists moving forward.  If they care to actually learn about what voters care about anyway.  

 

That's the biggest question for 2028 IMO.  Do they actually learn about what voters care about or do they keep pushing their own internal agenda...

[Mercalius]

6 minutes ago, abenjami said:

 

That's the biggest question for 2028 IMO.  Do they actually learn about what voters care about or do they keep pushing their own internal agenda...

It’s going to be interesting.  The immediate response, seemingly, from leftist media is to still screech racism and misogyny.   And even if that’s true, it was displayed by their own voting demographic.  I’ve seen a few clips of some pundits attempting to look inward and acknowledge some failing platitudes, but they’re immediately shouted down by people raging at white people.  Which of course, is how we got to here in the first place.  

Edited November 14, 2024 by Mercalius

[abenjami]

2 minutes ago, Mercalius said:

It’s going to be interesting.  The immediate response, seemingly, from leftist media is to still screech racism and misogyny.   And even if that’s true, it was displayed by their own voting demographic.  I’ve seen a few clips of some pundits attempting to look inward and acknowledge some failing platitudes, but they’re immediately shouted down by people raging at white people.  Which of course, is how we got to hear in the first place.  

 

It's sort of crazy to go back 30 years and think about how the Dems have given us Clinton, Obama, and Biden while the Repubs have given us GW and Trump.

[Titandan]

7 minutes ago, abenjami said:

 

That's the biggest question for 2028 IMO.  Do they actually learn about what voters care about or do they keep pushing their own internal agenda...

It's still amazing how close Harris was to Trump on the popular votes even though she was such a bad candidate. 

I think your reposts have proved that besides O-man, most of the TR Libs didn't blink an eye when Kam replaced Biden.  It's so "weird" being accused of being in a cult when these people don't even question that move. 

I really hope Trump overperforms to the point that we win over some of these guys.  I'll welcome any one of them to our fold if they so choose to open.  Hoping for some good results in the new year... We'll see. 

[Mercalius]

Thinking short term.  And this is very speculative.  I think it’s in the Democrats best interest to let Trump go scorched earth for the next four years.  Do what he wants to do.  And subtly build a candidate based on actual dual party unity.  An underdog story who’s “not like the other democrats”.  Completely abandons the woke stuff but maybe a nod and wink here and there.  Agreeable on pointing out corruption.  But softer around the edges and not seen as a fringe extremist.  The problem is, Vance is in waiting.  And he’s extremely likable.  The hope would be Trump goes so hard that Vance’s image is a bit tarnished and the softness blurred and a smooth talker (and I don’t necessarily mean Shapiro) can edge in and preach essentially a similar message without the drama of Trump attached to him.  

Edited November 14, 2024 by Mercalius

[abenjami]

3 minutes ago, Titandan said:

I think your reposts have proved that besides O-man, most of the TR Libs didn't blink an eye when Kam replaced Biden.  It's so "weird" being accused of being in a cult when these people don't even question that move. 
 

 

This is totally a great point.  As much as a lot of Trumpers are cult-like, so are the far leftists and they are total hypocrites.

[abenjami]

2 minutes ago, Mercalius said:

Thinking short term.  And this is very speculative.  I think it’s in the Democrats best interest to let Trump go scorched earth for the next four years.  Do what he wants to do.  And subtly build a candidate based on actually dual party unity.  An underdog story who’s “not like the other democrats”.  Sans the woke stuff.  Agreeable on pointing out corruption.  But softer around the edges and not seen as a fringe extremist.  The problem is, Vance is in waiting.  And he’s extremely likable.  The hope would be Trump goes so hard that Vance’s image is a bit tarnished and the softness blurred and a smooth talker (and I don’t necessarily mean Shapiro) can edge in and preach essentially a similar message without the drama of Trump attached to him.  

 

Here's one problem with Trump.  He's so egotistical that he won't let his VP become a real candidate.  Trump himself might be the biggest obstacle to his own VP becoming his successor.

 

Let's be honest here.  Would anyone be surprised if Trump tried to "fire" JD Vance a year from now and have him replaced?  LOL

[Mercalius]

8 minutes ago, abenjami said:

 

Here's one problem with Trump.  He's so egotistical that he won't let his VP become a real candidate.  Trump himself might be the biggest obstacle to his own VP becoming his successor.

 

Let's be honest here.  Would anyone be surprised if Trump tried to "fire" JD Vance a year from now and have him replaced?  LOL

I really don’t think so.  He took a lot of flack for bringing him on.  And was met with immediate controversy over his comments on cat ladies and the couch nonsense.  I truly think he picked out his successor.  He’s an egomaniac, yes, but he’s not immortal.  He knows he has four years and after that - it’s up to the future.  JD swayed a ton of favor among young males and females once they actually heard him talk.  Unless he gets in some scandal and is smart enough to still do the rounds on podcasts (just get his name/voice out there more) - I don’t see how he’s not the presumptive nominee in 28 unless Trump just goes totally unhinged (which I know some of you expect but being real, I don’t).  He took a chance on JD when he was told/warned not to.  He sees something in him, and he hasn’t disappointed.  He’s only gotten better in the short time he’s been in the spotlight.  I (obviously) frequently watch the typical podcasts.  And yes, a lot of those folks lean right or at least middle right.  But they’re low propensity voters.  And they love Vance.  Every comment section is flooded with praising him. They got out and voted this time.  If Vance can keep/grow his appeal with them, it’s gonna be tough sledding for Democrats unless they can paint him as Trump 2.0 to get the hate votes against him but also somehow temper the MAGA turnout.  Tricky sledding. 

Edited November 14, 2024 by Mercalius

[Titandan]

5 minutes ago, abenjami said:

 

Here's one problem with Trump.  He's so egotistical that he won't let his VP become a real candidate.  Trump himself might be the biggest obstacle to his own VP becoming his successor.

 

Let's be honest here.  Would anyone be surprised if Trump tried to "fire" JD Vance a year from now and have him replaced?  LOL

I think the only case where Trump would fire Vance is if he's disloyal.  But I think his demand for loyalty is more of a human thing and not necessarily a dictatorial attribute IMO.  If betrayal was a not so bad characteristic, perhaps Judas wouldn't have been the son of perdition.  I think we make a bit too much about Trump's demand for loyalty.  Not a single person I know enjoys being cheated on or disloyalty from trusted friends. 

I've been following Trump since he won the presidency the first time.  Ever since then, I found the whole movement fascinating and I didn't even vote for him the first time.  I think the thing that drew me to him is that he won, and then he drove the left insane LOLOL

Trump is definitely narcissistic but he makes no secret about it.  But I think he's also down to earth in a way.  He's very comfortable wearing a garbage man's vest and a McDonald's Apron on.  He also makes fun of himself a lot.  I think that's one of the main draws of Trump.  He just simply doesn't take himself too seriously. 

It seems like a paradox but his existence is a walking, talking contradiction.  

[Titandan]

7 minutes ago, Mercalius said:

I really don’t think so.  He took a lot of flack for bringing him on.  And was met with immediate controversy over his comments on cat ladies and the couch nonsense.  I truly think he picked out his successor.  He’s an egomaniac, yes, but he’s not immortal.  He knows he has four years and after that - it’s up to the future.  JD swayed a ton of favor among young males and females once they actually heard him talk.  Unless he gets in some scandal and is smart enough to still do the rounds on podcasts (just get his name/voice out there more) - I don’t see how he’s not the presumptive nominee in 28 unless Trump just goes totally unhinged (which I know some of you expect but being real, I don’t).  He took a chance on JD when he was told/warned not to.  He sees something in him, and he hasn’t disappointed.  

Trump goes on the attack and makes enemies but he's also very quick to make amends. 

Case in point, Lying Ted -> Lion Ted  LOL
JD Vance accused Trump of a lot of the same things he's still getting attacked for today.  But Trump chose the best VP candidate.  And to be fair, JD Vance was won over by Trump's policies and admitted that he was proven wrong.  If Trump held grudges, he might never have forgiven Vance.

[Mercalius]

3 minutes ago, Titandan said:

I think the only case where Trump would fire Vance is if he's disloyal.  But I think his demand for loyalty is more of a human thing and not necessarily a dictatorial attribute IMO.  If betrayal was a not so bad characteristic, perhaps Judas wouldn't have been the son of perdition.  I think we make a bit too much about Trump's demand for loyalty.  Not a single person I know enjoys being cheated on or disloyalty from trusted friends. 

I've been following Trump since he won the presidency the first time.  Ever since then, I found the whole movement fascinating and I didn't even vote for him the first time.  I think the thing that drew me to him is that he won, and then he drove the left insane LOLOL

Trump is definitely narcissistic but he makes no secret about it.  But I think he's also down to earth in a way.  He's very comfortable wearing a garbage man's vest and a McDonald's Apron on.  He also makes fun of himself a lot.  I think that's one of the main draws of Trump.  He just simply doesn't take himself too seriously. 

It seems like a paradox but his existence is a walking, talking contradiction.  

He’s Tony Soprano mixed with Ronald McDonald.  Both in appearance, attitude, and love for Big Macs lol.  If the political times weren’t so extreme, I think more people would cherish what an amazing anomaly he is and be thankful to be in this timeline

[Titandan]

Just now, Mercalius said:

He’s Tony Soprano mixed with Ronald McDonald.  Both in appearance, attitude, and love for Big Macs lol.  If the political times weren’t so extreme, I think more people would cherish what an amazing anomaly he is and be thankful to be in this timeline

When I was a child, I was absolutely convinced that Ronald McDonald (the clown) and Ronald Reagan were the same people... I know. I was such an idiot. And an even bigger idiot now for revealing that on this board LOL

[nine]

4 hours ago, Titandan said:

I think we make a bit too much about Trump's demand for loyalty.  Not a single person I know enjoys being cheated on or disloyalty from trusted friends. 
 

Come on, now.   There’s NO WAY you actually said this with a straight face, right?