Dolphins statement on Tyreek (and Calais and Jonnu) situation

[CaliTitan3518]

Just now, No1TitansFan said:

If he was more than 20 over in FL that's criminal speeding and right there they  have the right to detain and arrest him. 

See they had every right to detain him. They just did it in a very escalating type of fashion which is doing a bad job. They knew it was Tyreek. They should have deescalated the situation to avoid getting on the news. 

 

Like I said they chose not to and we all got a good laugh before kick off. 

[abenjami]

23 minutes ago, WG53 said:

I'm not excusing his behavior. He did bring it on himself in the end. But the fact that cops are this quick to act the way they are is ridiculous. These cops did not act in a professional manner. I don't know what all happened before this video. I assume Hill was speeding recklessly and if so that plays into their demeanor. But FFS they have bodycams on and feel like this is the proper way to respond to a situation. It clearly isn't. Hasn't one of them already been suspended? 

 

No doubt a few of the cops could have acted more professionally instead of essentially talking shit back to him but that doesn't somehow mean they beat him, used excessive force, or did something appalling that we should all be up in arms about.

[Guest]

Ah yes, America. 

 

Where interaction with the cops means you are responsible for acting perfectly. 

 

Where you, as a private citizen who is experiencing a high stress, outside of the norm life event must be able to completely emotionally regulate and immediately obey all directives because the police have the right to tell you exactly what to do and no obligation to recognize in good faith the stress their response might cause. 

 

Of course, when a situation like this amplifies in an unnecessary way the fault is always on you, the citizen, because the expectation is your behavior is to immediately do exactly whatever the cop says without blinking. 

 

I am sure many of the same people who think this way also believe in don't tread on me and small government, right? 

 

Laughable. 

[Guest]

38 minutes ago, abenjami said:

Obviously the best part of the video though is when Tyreek is crying about having knee surgery and one of the officers says he needs to have ear surgery LOL

That cop hoping on his back for no reason at all very well could have cost him millions of dollars. It's a very legitimate complaint. We have a well documented history of cops giving no regard at all to their responsibility to take care of someone's physical wellbeing. 

[abenjami]

3 minutes ago, Bink said:

Ah yes, America. 

 

Where interaction with the cops means you are responsible for acting perfectly. 

 

Where you, as a private citizen who is experiencing a high stress, outside of the norm life event must be able to completely emotionally regulate and immediately obey all directives because the police have the right to tell you exactly what to do and no obligation to recognize in good faith the stress their response might cause. 

 

Of course, when a situation like this amplifies in an unnecessary way the fault is always on you, the citizen, because the expectation is your behavior is to immediately do exactly whatever the cop says without blinking. 

 

I am sure many of the same people who think this way also believe in don't tread on me and small government, right? 

 

Laughable. 

 

Come on bro.  Watch the beginning of the video.  He acted the opposite of perfect.  He acted with complete disrespect and disobedience.

 

And yes, when a cop tells you to do something like get out of the car or sit down, you should do it without question instead of trying to be some kind of rebel.

[IowaOiler]

I sometimes wonder, if Scottie Scheffler were black, how many people would have been more pissed off at that situation.  

 

IMO, cops are in a tough spot, but they also tend to be power-hungry idiots who give two-shits about liberties or the law.  But in my best Bill Burr attempt, female cops are far worse than the male ones.  

[SleepingTitan]

1 hour ago, WG53 said:

That video is a bad look on everyone in it.

 

Tyreek is a moron.

 

The cops think they can be assholes and attack people while hiding behind weapons and a badge.

 

Talk like that to people without that badge and these people are in the hospital.

Not a single person acting reasonable

[SleepingTitan]

5 minutes ago, IowaOiler said:

I sometimes wonder, if Scottie Scheffler were black, how many people would have been more pissed off at that situation.  

 

IMO, cops are in a tough spot, but they also tend to be power-hungry idiots who give two-shits about liberties or the law.  But in my best Bill Burr attempt, female cops are far worse than the male ones.  

It is hilarious that the same shit just happened to Scheffler. I've always hated cops, but now I have family (wife's side) who are officers, and I'm on my 3rd year of law school. My perception and perspective has changed.

 

Cops have a tough fucking job. Asserting power and control is an essential part of the job (training). At the same time, we as citizens play a role in the system to act reasonably. I taught my kid how to respond to a traffic stop or police interaction. You can still reserve your rights while being compliant, cordial, and respectful of authority. 

 

I try to teach my kids to always put their selves in other people's shoes. If you were this officer doing your job, how would you want to be treated? I don't think that's a bad way to be. 

[abenjami]

10 minutes ago, SleepingTitan said:

It is hilarious that the same shit just happened to Scheffler. I've always hated cops, but now I have family (wife's side) who are officers, and I'm on my 3rd year of law school. My perception and perspective has changed.

 

Cops have a tough fucking job. Asserting power and control is an essential part of the job (training). At the same time, we as citizens play a role in the system to act reasonably. I taught my kid how to respond to a traffic stop or police interaction. You can still reserve your rights while being compliant, cordial, and respectful of authority. 

 

I try to teach my kids to always put their selves in other people's shoes. If you were this officer doing your job, how would you want to be treated? I don't think that's a bad way to be. 

 

The Scottie Scheffler incident was somewhat different though.  It wasn't a traffic stop and he wasn't showing anything close to the same level of disobeyance and disrespect.

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, abenjami said:

 

Come on bro.  Watch the beginning of the video.  He acted the opposite of perfect.  He acted with complete disrespect and disobedience.

 

And yes, when a cop tells you to do something like get out of the car or sit down, you should do it without question instead of trying to be some kind of rebel.

 

You are missing my point. What did he do that was violent? What did he do that was excessive or egregious? He was complying with police--not fast enough, not in the right way. 

 

 

You outline it here in your own words---interacting with police in America means "do it without question". 

 

The expectation, then, is a human being---in a high stress, not normal situation--is held to a higher standard of conduct that the professional. 

 

 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, abenjami said:

 

The Scottie Scheffler incident was somewhat different though.  It wasn't a traffic stop and he wasn't showing anything close to the same level of disobeyance and disrespect.

 

This is such an interesting take. 

 

Are we legally obligated to "respect" cops? This is a survival mechanism. I can agree that his own survival, his ability to get out of the situation without escalation relies on compliance and respect. 

 

In a perfect world, we hold the professionals to some kind of standard, but not citizens. You seem to be clowning on Hill because he immediately wasn't the right amount of respectful and the right amount of compliant. 

 

The police certainly reflect your thinking--forget that we are professionals trained to handle this situation and you are dealing with something completely outside of your normal human experience--the expectation is that you, the citizen, immediately have A+ behavior or whatever the fuck a cop does is justified. 

 

You kept your window up longer than I liked? Eat concrete. 

 

Keep in mind all of this is over what exactly--what's the threat being assessed here? 

 

Oh, I forgot. This is America where our right to play with our favorite toy, the gun, means fucking up every possible system. 

 

I am not saying this to say the cops here were awful--on cop standard this is really no that bad. 

 

But the premise of everything you are saying in this thread should scream red flags, because you are essentially advocating for cops to have no responsibility for their conduct based on immediate and total compliance. 

 

Yeah...I am not into that. 

[abenjami]

5 minutes ago, Bink said:

 

You are missing my point. What did he do that was violent? What did he do that was excessive or egregious? He was complying with police--not fast enough, not in the right way. 

 

You outline it here in your own words---interacting with police in America means "do it without question". 

 

The expectation, then, is a human being---in a high stress, not normal situation--is held to a higher standard of conduct that the professional. 

 

Your point misses the point.  No one is saying he did anything "violent".

 

Also, no one is saying you have to do "anything" without question when asked by an officer.  If a police officer asks you to cut off your penis and then jump off a cliff, we would all understand if you disobeyed.   But clearly that isn't what happened here.

 

Also, a traffic stop is not a high stress situation.  Unless of course the person being stopped turns it into one by acting like a moron.

[No1TitansFan]

57 minutes ago, CaliTitan3518 said:

See they had every right to detain him. They just did it in a very escalating type of fashion which is doing a bad job. They knew it was Tyreek. They should have deescalated the situation to avoid getting on the news. 

 

Like I said they chose not to and we all got a good laugh before kick off. 

Why are you assuming they knew who he was?

[abenjami]

3 minutes ago, Bink said:

 

This is such an interesting take. 

 

Are we legally obligated to "respect" cops? This is a survival mechanism. I can agree that his own survival, his ability to get out of the situation without escalation relies on compliance and respect. 

 

In a perfect world, we hold the professionals to some kind of standard, but not citizens. You seem to be clowning on Hill because he immediately wasn't the right amount of respectful and the right amount of compliant. 

 

The police certainly reflect your thinking--forget that we are professionals trained to handle this situation and you are dealing with something completely outside of your normal human experience--the expectation is that you, the citizen, immediately have A+ behavior or whatever the fuck a cop does is justified. 

 

You kept your window up longer than I liked? Eat concrete. 

 

Keep in mind all of this is over what exactly--what's the threat being assessed here? 

 

Oh, I forgot. This is America where our right to play with our favorite toy, the gun, means fucking up every possible system. 

 

I am not saying this to say the cops here were awful--on cop standard this is really no that bad. 

 

But the premise of everything you are saying in this thread should scream red flags, because you are essentially advocating for cops to have no responsibility for their conduct based on immediate and total compliance. 

 

Yeah...I am not into that. 

 

It’s pretty simple.

 

Yes, we should be legally obligated to "respect" cops.  Or at least so long as they are not blatantly abusing their authority by asking us to do something totally unreasonable.  Sometimes we need to be team players to make society work best for the whole.

 

I’m clowning on Hill because his conduct was ridiculous.  It’s nowhere close to respectful or compliant, it’s the total opposite.  It’s literally a video to be shown to kids on how not to act when pulled over.

 

I’m not advocating for cops to have no responsibility for their conduct based on immediate and total compliance.  As I already stated, there are certainly bad cops and other situations.  But this isn’t one of them.  Sure, a couple of the cops could have acted more mature and professional in this case but Hill is the real problem here.

 

[abenjami]

1 minute ago, No1TitansFan said:

Why are you assuming they knew who he was?

 

I think that's a fair assumption given it appears they were working traffic right outside the stadium no?