Harrison Butker is a huge idiot

[Justafan]

Just now, IsntLifeFunny said:

Bud. Even when I agree with him, he's ridiculously pompous about every single thing he discusses. 

 

No one who matters is outraged about Butker except the right wing who is getting their doom porn on for the left thinking it was poor form. That was shown fairly well by Stewart. Fox News has made this a headline...and they do that shit on purpose. 

Ahh... and the lightbulb clicks on. Makes sense. Thanks for clarifying, I was definitely confused. 

[IsntLifeFunny]

Just now, Justafan said:

Ahh... and the lightbulb clicks on. Makes sense. Thanks for clarifying, I was definitely confused. 

I don't take potshots at people who argue in good faith. Sometimes I vehemently disagree with your stances on certain issues, but it's never to a point where I think you're intentionally being disrespectful. 

 

On this one I don't fully agree with your stance, but I can appreciate the notion the media on both sides is running with this and the guy doesn't deserve to be doxxed over having a bad speech. People are just really fucking stupid. 

[Justafan]

5 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

I don't take potshots at people who argue in good faith. Sometimes I vehemently disagree with your stances on certain issues, but it's never to a point where I think you're intentionally being disrespectful. 

 

On this one I don't fully agree with your stance, but I can appreciate the notion the media on both sides is running with this and the guy doesn't deserve to be doxxed over having a bad speech. People are just really fucking stupid. 

I feel the same. I strongly disagree with people in this thread, but there are smart people here, and the discussion makes all of us better, IMO, until the character attacks and name-calling start coming out because people lack the maturity or willingness to understand nuance and instead start shouting talking points and dismissing legitimate discourse. That I can live without. 

[Little Earl]

Tavia Hunt, wife of owner of the Chiefs:
I’ve always encouraged my daughters to be highly educated and chase their dreams. I want them to know that they can do whatever they want (that honors God). But I also want them to know that I believe finding a spouse who loves and honors you as or before himself and raising a family together is one of the greatest blessings this world has to offer. Studies show that committed, married couples with children are the happiest demographic, and this has been my experience as well. 
*Affirming motherhood and praising your wife, as well as highlighting the sacrifice and dedication it takes to be a mother, is not bigoted. It is empowering to acknowledge that a woman’s hard work in raising children is not in vain.* Countless highly educated women devote their lives to nurturing and guiding their children. Someone disagreeing with you doesn’t make them hateful; it simply means they have a different opinion. Let’s celebrate families, motherhood and fatherhood. Our society desperately needs dedicated men and women to raise up and train the next generation in the way they should go. Proverbs 31:28 says, “Her children arise and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praises her: Many women do noble things, but you surpass them all.” Embracing the beautiful roles that God has made is something to celebrate. 
*I also caution against taking things out of context. Sound bites overlaid with hateful comments are not what we want to model for our children or others. We need more dialogue (and VALUES, IMO) in this country and less hate.

[IsntLifeFunny]

I'm sure the daughters of the wife of the owner of the Chiefs has a lot to worry about in life as far as securing their financial independence. 

 

Edited May 21, 2024 by IsntLifeFunny

[Little Earl]

38 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

I'm sure the daughters of the wife of the owner of the Chiefs has a lot to worry about in life as far as securing their financial independence. 

 

 

That doesn't change the fact that it is better for a young child to be raised full time by his nurturing loving mother, than some person in a day care center that doesn't love them.   A stay-at-home mother should be celebrated and encouraged.   Obviously, it is not possible for everybody.   And it unfortunately has become more challenging with the high costs of everything these days.   

[IsntLifeFunny]

2 minutes ago, Little Earl said:

 

That doesn't change the fact that it is better for a young child to be raised full time by his nurturing loving mother, than some person in a day care center that doesn't love them.   A stay-at-home mother should be celebrated and encouraged.   Obviously, it is not possible for everybody.   And it unfortunately has become more challenging with the high costs of everything these days.   

We finally agree on something. He should have stuck with that and instead made it overtly political at a graduation. 

 

As Stewart showed, Fox is pushing this easily just as much if not more than anything the left has to say about it. It's just where we are at these days. We simply have not caught up with technology and are essentially completely fractured. 

[MadMax]

54 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

He should have stuck with that and instead made it overtly political at a graduation. 

That was why I didn't care for it.

[begooode]

4 hours ago, Little Earl said:

… *I also caution against taking things out of context. Sound bites overlaid with hateful comments are not what we want to model for our children or others. We need more dialogue (and VALUES, IMO) in this country and less hate.

Hmmmmm, please keep this noble sentiment in mind as you assess the current gop standard bearer.

[Justafan]

 

[Guest]

7 hours ago, Justafan said:

 

 

To be fair, we've never had more polite and accepting discourse. 

 

The difference is conservative viewpoints were always accepted and never criticized, to the point that doing so meant risking your life. 

 

This has gradually changed over time. 

 

So I think this grievance REALLY has to be put in context. Conservative people in general are feeling silenced and that they can't speak out---when you've never faced criticism or backlash it certainly does feel hurtful to finally get a taste of that. This kind of meme works in a vacuum where all people have been treated equally always, we know that isn't true. 

 

 

[Guest]

Also, the "the way I grew up is the best way to live your life" 

 

is absolutely, totally, bullshit. I know plenty of people that grew up in heteronormative households that lived fucked up and traumatic lives. 

 

If you want to extract the term "loving" from the equation, then yes, the best thing for anyone is to grow up in a loving household. From that, you can't really slap a stereotype on and make it make sense outside of basic socioeconomic stability, educational opportunity, etc. 

 

 

 

 

[oldschool]

Mahomes has a future as a politician when he's done playing football

 

For the record I find it hilarious some are framing this has a stay at home mother vs a working mother issue. Butker was not talking about women choosing to stay home and raise kids, a noble decision that most agree is up to the woman. Butker was using that as a fulcrum to talk about women being subservient to men. Get your asses back into kitchen and do those dishes while pregnant and barefoot! This will allow men to be the best version of themselves and give back to the community which will drive down the absentee father rate which in turn will drive down violent crime. 

 

 

I want to speak directly to you briefly because I think it is you, the women, who have had the most diabolical lies told to you. How many of you are sitting here now about to cross this stage and are thinking about all the promotions and titles you are going to get in your career? Some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world, but I would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world.

 

I can tell you that my beautiful wife, Isabelle, would be the first to say that her life truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and as a mother

 

I say all of this to you because I have seen it firsthand how much happier someone can be when they disregard the outside noise and move closer and closer to God’s will in their life. Isabelle’s dream of having a career might not have come true, but if you asked her today

 

 

 

[Justafan]

1 hour ago, Bink said:

 

To be fair, we've never had more polite and accepting discourse. 

 

The difference is conservative viewpoints were always accepted and never criticized, to the point that doing so meant risking your life. 

 

This has gradually changed over time. 

 

So I think this grievance REALLY has to be put in context. Conservative people in general are feeling silenced and that they can't speak out---when you've never faced criticism or backlash it certainly does feel hurtful to finally get a taste of that. This kind of meme works in a vacuum where all people have been treated equally always, we know that isn't true. 

 

 

I strongly disagree with that interpretation. Unless your POV is conservatism = racism and discrimination, no one risked their life to speak out against it. If that is your argument, you're wrong - racism exists on both political spectrums and is a separate conversation. 

 

What has changed over time is the weaponization of language to label and bully and the organization of social media to spread ideas and hatred to far larger audiences with bigger implications. 

[reo]

1 hour ago, Justafan said:

I strongly disagree with that interpretation. Unless your POV is conservatism = racism and discrimination, no one risked their life to speak out against it. If that is your argument, you're wrong - racism exists on both political spectrums and is a separate conversation. 

 

What has changed over time is the weaponization of language to label and bully and the organization of social media to spread ideas and hatred to far larger audiences with bigger implications. 

 

Racists do tend to be conservative as a general rule and that tracks with what research is finding on what makes someone lean conservative. Below are some parts of just one study. Essentially conservatives are resistant to change and more reactive to perceived threats whether real or not.... what is racism but being reactive due to improperly perceiving a threat?

 

At a bar so hopefully the bits I pulled make sense.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9090880/#:~:text=A meta-analysis reveals that,et al.%2C 2003).

 

Consistent with the dispositional sensitivity view, conservatives have been found to be more sensitive to negative stimuli and events.

 

Economic conservatism is associated with increased neural connectivity between the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis (BNST) and the amygdala during threat versus safety, a neural circuit associated with responding to sustained or uncertain threats (Pedersen et al., 2018). Conservatives are more cautious in the exploration of novel stimuli

 

A meta-analysis reveals that conservatives prefer cognitive closure, dislike ambiguity, and experience higher levels of death anxiety

 

Conservatives are characterized by a motivation to protect existing societal institutions, such as the current economic system (Janoff-Bulman, 2009) and are more likely to embrace economic system-justifying ideologies, including meritocratic, just-world, and fair market ideologies (Jost & Hunyady, 2005). We reasoned that a legitimate threat to the individual’s place in the economic system—essentially signaling that the current economic institutions are unfair, uncertain, and flawed—would jeopardize core motivational underpinnings of conservatism. Prior research shows that direct threats to psychological defenses increase sensitivity to negativity (Gyurak & Ayduk, 2007; Holbrook et al., 2011; Nash et al., 2014; Schimel et al., 2007). If conservatism is indeed a psychological defense that confers stability and certainty, then that defense would be less effective in the face of economic instability and uncertainty.

 

Specifically, we predicted that, as a compensatory and protective ideology, conservatism would be associated with reduced reactivity to negative stimuli in the control condition, a non-threatening context that is closest to a neutral or baseline state. However, upon experiencing a threat to the psychological foundations of that protective ideology, conservatism would be associated with increased reactivity to negative stimuli.