Derrick Henry is still an elite back.

[BudsOilers]

2 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

You can't substitute a hypothetical based on what you think "should" happen for proof. Yes, Henry used to take a lot of runs to the house and now he doesn't. That doesn't mean that every run you think should've gone the distance actually had a chance to do so. Not to mention that he was hitting these home runs when he had a good blocking OL and good receivers blocking for him down field. He has neither now, not to mention the down grade in the passing game around him.

I can say it easily.  He gets what's blocked and is average at this point.  Factor in his price, age, and inevitable further decline and they'd be asinine to re-sign him given where they are at as a team. 

[OILERMAN]

The OL is bad

 

Henry is washed up

[wiscotitansfan]

6 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

I can say it easily.  He gets what's blocked and is average at this point.  Factor in his price, age, and inevitable further decline and they'd be asinine to re-sign him given where they are at as a team. 

It’s as simple as this… he’s an average back who’s able to handle a shitton of carries. Thats basically the definition of replaceable talent by a RBBC

[OILERMAN]

22 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

 Y'all really gonna come out and say that 0 YPC is reflective of his ability the way y'all said. 6 was reflective of Henry's?

 

It's super easy to differentiate between the two if you're objective

[Mythos27]

8 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

I can say it easily.  He gets what's blocked and is average at this point.  Factor in his price, age, and inevitable further decline and they'd be asinine to re-sign him given where they are at as a team. 

You can say it, but there is no weight behind it and it isn't evidence. Agree that they shouldn't re-sign him though.

[Mythos27]

Just now, OILERMAN said:

 

It's super easy to differentiate between the two if you're objective

Guess that rules you out then doesn't it?

[Mythos27]

2 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

The OL is bad

 

Henry is washed up

Got one right this time. 

[BudsOilers]

1 minute ago, Mythos27 said:

You can say it, but there is no weight behind it and it isn't evidence. Agree that they shouldn't re-sign him though.

There’s absolutely data behind that. What are you talking about?

[wiscotitansfan]

1 minute ago, Mythos27 said:

Got one right this time. 

Dude, all you have to do is just argue against Henry not being as bad as people here claim but the fact that you constantly double down on arguing he’s not washed makes you look like you’re being sarcastic about your responses…. He’s very obviously a shell of himself while still being a solid player who gets what is (or isn’t) blocked for, who’s simply not worth the money

[Mythos27]

11 minutes ago, OzTitan said:

Spears may not even be that good? he is good with room in front of him and has catching skills, that might be his limit for all we know. Most backs are like this these days, or they commonly are. Titans very likely need more talent at RB in later rounds again, or get some more from FA.

 

You're trying to make it about systemic issues, of which there of course are, and seem to be trying to say people think Henry is to blame for these. It just seems like an attempt to excuse Henry of blame for something no one is really saying he is to blame for. He just isn't helping at all and has shown very little, much less than recent times, when he has the chance.

IMO, Spears is that good. The ability level is apparent. What I'm saying is that a large part of why Henry doesn't look as good as he has in the past is that the blocking is horrible rather than something being wrong with Henry himself. Spears is direct evidence of that. I don't have to defend Spears because people have no problem applying context regarding him. Can't say the same about Henry.

[Mythos27]

1 minute ago, wiscotitansfan said:

Dude, all you have to do is just argue against Henry not being as bad as people here claim but the fact that you constantly double down on arguing he’s not washed makes you look like you’re being sarcastic about your responses…. He’s very obviously a shell of himself while still being a solid player who gets what is (or isn’t) blocked for, who’s simply not worth the money

He isn't as bad as people claim and no, he isn't washed.

[OzTitan]

Just now, Mythos27 said:

IMO, Spears is that good. The ability level is apparent. What I'm saying is that a large part of why Henry doesn't look as good as he has in the past is that the blocking is horrible rather than something being wrong with Henry himself. Spears is direct evidence of that. I don't have to defend Spears because people have no problem applying context regarding him. Can't say the same about Henry.

Spears has shown some sparks among the horrible blocking going around him though, not a huge amount but enough considering his general status as a mid round rookie.

 

Henry hasn't really, he just keeps reminding us of what he used to be able to do with the same looks.

[Mythos27]

4 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

There’s absolutely data behind that. What are you talking about?

All the evidence you have is a result of him running behind this line. I won't argue he's as good as he was in say 2019 but how do make an apples to apples comparison between his numbers behind a much better line and behind this one? The team situation around Henry is night and day compared to back then. No shit, his numbers are going to be massively down; the team around him deteriorated to one of the worst in the league. He's a RB, not a QB. RBs are notoriously depending on their surrounding talent; it's part of the reason their value is low.

[Mythos27]

3 minutes ago, OzTitan said:

Spears has shown some sparks among the horrible blocking going around him though, not a huge amount but enough considering his general status as a mid round rookie.

 

Henry hasn't really, he just keeps reminding us of what he used to be able to do with the same looks.

Disagree. Henry has had some very good plays and broken tons of tackles along the way. Good Henry plays just get memory-holed around here while positive Spears plays get magnified. 

[Jamalisms]

Henry is likely to end the year under 4 yards per carry. That's a pretty strong demarcation line and there are reasons to consider doing it but you have to give him an enormous pass the offensive line / surroundings if you think he's going to rebound.

 

We'll see. I suspect it won't be in Tennessee, either way. But I'm actually interested to see what happens after this year.