OILERMAN Posted October 8, 2023 Report Share Posted October 8, 2023 Hopefully come celebs from the death pool wander into this area Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted October 8, 2023 Report Share Posted October 8, 2023 28 minutes ago, El Guapo said: A lot of whataboutisms in this thread. My take? Fuck Iran. Fuck anyone wanting to help them. Fuck Kerry and Obama and Carter. And fuck anyone who blames the US. Should have kept the Shah … Republicans are blaming Biden That's blaming the US since he's the President. So yes, fuck them. MadMax, and OILERMAN 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted October 8, 2023 Report Share Posted October 8, 2023 Bullshit. You can claim whatever’ you want. Like most Democrats, you have to suspend logic and the obvious on any issue and demonize any who disagree with you. Iran is our enemy. No agreement or treaty will be in any way adhered to. Anyone who believes this is either fucking stupid, naive, or either is sympathetic to Iran or just a political hack wanting to look like a peacemaker. Take your pick. Started with Carter the fucking prick and perfected under Barry Hussein and Kerry. And if you dont think Brandon’s money for hostages contributes to this you are braindead. Used only for humanitarian purposes? What a fucking joke. Guess what they will want to free the hostages? Starkiller 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted October 8, 2023 Report Share Posted October 8, 2023 Just now, ctm said: Republicans are blaming Biden That's blaming the US since he's the President. So yes, fuck them. That idiot should be blamed. He is not the US…you know good and well what my comment meant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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El Guapo Posted October 8, 2023 Report Share Posted October 8, 2023 Any negotiation with a country whose motto is Death to America is idiocy. And anyone who believes any negotiation or agreement with that country is in good faith is a fucking moron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted October 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2023 Sounds like there are Americans in captivity taken by Hamas as well. In which case, the United States should get involved in helping to rescue them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted October 8, 2023 Report Share Posted October 8, 2023 1 minute ago, El Guapo said: That idiot should be blamed. He is not the US…you know good and well what my comment meant. Biden is the US president and the world knows it. Republicans are blaming the US. It's Biden's fault. It's Biden's fault. And your little history lesson above omits the fact that the US and our CIA engineered an overthrow of the Iranian government and installed the Shah in 1953 when republican Eisenhower was president. Iran has blamed the US ever since and rightfully so. The Iranian military, with the support and financial assistance of the United States government, overthrows the government of Premier Mohammad Mosaddeq and reinstates the Shah of Iran. Iran remained a solid Cold War ally of the United States until a revolution ended the Shah’s rule in 1979. Working with Shah, the CIA and British intelligence began to engineer a plot to overthrow Mossadeq. The Iranian premier, however, got wind of the plan and called his supporters to take to the streets in protest. At this point, the Shah left the country for “medical reasons.” While British intelligence backed away from the debacle, the CIA continued its covert operations in Iran. Working with pro-Shah forces and, most importantly, the Iranian military, the CIA cajoled, threatened, and bribed its way into influence and helped to organize another coup attempt against Mossadeq. On August 19, 1953, the military, backed by street protests organized and financed by the CIA, overthrew Mossadeq. The Shah quickly returned to take power and, as thanks for the American help, signed over 40 percent of Iran’s oil fields to U.S. companies. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/cia-assisted-coup-overthrows-government-of-iran Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted October 8, 2023 Report Share Posted October 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, El Guapo said: Any negotiation with a country whose motto is Death to America is idiocy. And anyone who believes any negotiation or agreement with that country is in good faith is a fucking moron. And yet the only country that couldn’t be trusted was America under Trump… reo, and MadMax 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted October 8, 2023 Report Share Posted October 8, 2023 8 minutes ago, El Guapo said: Any negotiation with a country whose motto is Death to America is idiocy. And anyone who believes any negotiation or agreement with that country is in good faith is a fucking moron. Yet Trump invited the taliban to camp David on 9/11 to negotiate outside of the afghan government. OILERMAN, and MadMax 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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reo Posted October 8, 2023 Report Share Posted October 8, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, El Guapo said: Any negotiation with a country whose motto is Death to America is idiocy. And anyone who believes any negotiation or agreement with that country is in good faith is a fucking moron. So... your thoughts are to let them get nukes or bomb them? You want to go to war w/ Iran? US had a deal in place w/ safe guards in case they didn't abide by it. And Trump took them out of the agreement. Edited October 8, 2023 by reo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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El Guapo Posted October 8, 2023 Report Share Posted October 8, 2023 12 minutes ago, reo said: So... your thoughts are to let them get nukes or bomb them? You want to go to war w/ Iran? US had a deal in place w/ safe guards in case they didn't abide by it. And Trump took them out of the agreement. Safeguard my ass. Anymore than negotiating with Hitler made sense. Maybe you should consult with the Koran about lying to enemies. We already have been at war with Iran through their proxies. Our only hope is to promote the overthrow of the government with the CIA. And yes, the Shah was a lot better for us than these motherfuckers. Just like overthrowing Putin would be good for us. Get off your idealistic snd “noble” foreign policy decisions. And yes, Trump was better than Obama and Biden when it came to realpolitik. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted October 8, 2023 Report Share Posted October 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, El Guapo said: Safeguard my ass. Anymore than negotiating with Hitler made sense. Maybe you should consult with the Koran about lying to enemies. We already have been at war with Iran through their proxies. Our only hope is to promote the overthrow of the government with the CIA. And yes, the Shah was a lot better for us than these motherfuckers. Just like overthrowing Putin would be good for us. Get off your idealistic snd “noble” foreign policy decisions. And yes, Trump was better than Obama and Biden when it came to realpolitik. So what is your plan for stopping them from getting nukes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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