tgo Posted October 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) @IrishTitansFan Biden mentioned it in his speech yesterday CNN, Fox, CBS, MSNBC and several independent journalists have now confirmed. There’s a question about how many of the babies were beheaded vs simply murdered in their cribs - that seems to be the main point of conflict. Which is ridiculous on its face to even be quabbling over. I do understand the potential of Mossad propaganda here, but I’m seeing the echoing pushback against the reports mostly from the worst people on Earth: MAGA extremists, Russian shills, Islamists. If a major news org issues a correction - only then should the reports from those on the ground be questioned. This same type of pushback from malign actors was propagated during the Holocaust as well. Edited October 11, 2023 by tgo reo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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IrishTitansFan Posted October 11, 2023 Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 19 minutes ago, tgo said: @IrishTitansFan Biden mentioned it in his speech yesterday CNN, Fox, CBS, MSNBC and several independent journalists have now confirmed. There’s a question about how many of the babies were beheaded vs simply murdered in their cribs - that seems to be the main point of conflict. Which is ridiculous on its face to even be quabbling over. I do understand the potential of Mossad propaganda here, but I’m seeing the echoing pushback against the reports mostly from the worst people on Earth: MAGA extremists, Russian shills, Islamists. If a major news org issues a correction - only then should the reports from those on the ground be questioned. This same type of pushback from malign actors was propagated during the Holocaust as well. I just posted Robertson and other journalists having confirmed they saw no evidence of it. It seems to mostly be coming from IDF soldiers. Sky News are not "the worst people on earth" and categorically stated that the Israelis have been asked 3 times to confirm and have not yet. All I'm saying is maybe we should wait for confirmation, either way children were killed, but if this is misinformation or a misunderstanding it's important that it isn't spread and is clarified before it leads to retaliation based on the story This is a good post about it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted October 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, IrishTitansFan said: I just posted Robertson and other journalists having confirmed they saw no evidence of it. It seems to mostly be coming from IDF soldiers. Sky News are not "the worst people on earth" and categorically stated that the Israelis have been asked 3 times to confirm and have not yet. All I'm saying is maybe we should wait for confirmation, either way children were killed, but if this is misinformation or a misunderstanding it's important that it isn't spread and is clarified before it leads to retaliation based on the story This is a good post about it Ok well for the sake of argument here, let’s assume for now that the babies were slaughtered but that the beheading is simply an “exaggeration” by horrified soldiers and onlookers and that the major news orgs just ran with the reports from IDF soldiers. Does it really make a tangible difference? Edited October 11, 2023 by tgo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted October 11, 2023 Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 9 hours ago, begooode said: It’s fair to think Netanyahu underestimated Hamas ‘they’ll shoot some rockets, again’, but not sure anyone could have predicted the scope and ruthlessness of the attack, imo. I agree. I mean, Jake Sullivan was bragging about the quietness of the middle east a few days sgo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted October 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 Just now, El Guapo said: I agree. I mean, Jake Sullivan was bragging about the quietness of the middle east a few days sgo. That did not age well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted October 11, 2023 Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 8 minutes ago, tgo said: Ok well for the sake of argument here, let’s assume for now that the babies were slaughtered but that the beheading is simply an “exaggeration” by horrified soldiers and onlookers and that the major news orgs just ran with the reports from IDF soldiers. Does it really make a tangible difference? Hell no. It is an atrocity and to quibble about the manner in which they were killed is really either totally morally bankrupt or the initial stages of an apologist’s playbook. tgo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted October 11, 2023 Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 27 minutes ago, tgo said: Ok well for the sake of argument here, let’s assume for now that the babies were slaughtered but that the beheading is simply an “exaggeration” by horrified soldiers and onlookers and that the major news orgs just ran with the reports from IDF soldiers. Does it really make a tangible difference? Yeah children are being killed either way, it is horrific, but yeah it makes a difference. It's emotional and theatrical and it's why all the headlines are focusing on the beheadings I'm not saying this is propaganda (As I said I think it is likely this happened), but it would be an example of propaganda if it were intentional and a false claim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted October 11, 2023 Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 The only difference in babies being killed is one's where it is civilian casualties of war. This obviously wasn't the case so I don't give a shit how they were killed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted October 11, 2023 Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 3 hours ago, tgo said: Ok well for the sake of argument here, let’s assume for now that the babies were slaughtered but that the beheading is simply an “exaggeration” by horrified soldiers and onlookers and that the major news orgs just ran with the reports from IDF soldiers. Does it really make a tangible difference? Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted October 11, 2023 Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 Here's a question, if "the detail "didn't matter then why would people be repeating it in the media? They just gave infinite words in headlines to throw at meaningless detail? Why would it be getting discussed here repeatedly over and over? People are fixed on that "detail" because it's meaningless? Of course it matters. IrishTitansFan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted October 11, 2023 Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 Hey look at this thing. Look how stark it is; how dramatic. Crazy huh? It adds meaning and clarity to what's happening. Are we sure that's true? Of course. Of course it's true. I'm not convinced. Well I heard it from credible people Okay but now here are other credible people looking into the actual source of that information and we don't actually have good confirmation. It may very well not be true and repeating it is kind of a dangerous thing. Why would it be dangerous? This thing holds no meaning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted October 11, 2023 Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 If people are killed in a symbolic way, it's potentially dangerous to ignore the symbolism, to ignore or to minimize the emotions that the killings were intended to evoke, as they amplify the tragedy of the killings on the surviving community. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeFan Posted October 11, 2023 Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 Unfortunately, until the peaceful Palestinians eradicate the hateful extremist Palestinians from within, nothing will change. Same for Muslim, Christians, Jewish, etc... Until people, the media, governments demonize the extremists, instead of giving them headlines, this will never end. nine 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted October 11, 2023 Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 Does it really matter what method of execution they used? Would you be happier if those babies had been murdered in a slightly less gruesome manner? IsntLifeFunny, and tgo 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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