Report: Skoronski Will Start at Left Guard

[freakingeek]

5 hours ago, Mythos27 said:

I mean they might turn out to be right and I really hope they are but logically, I don't get why everyone thinks it's a given. 

To be rated that highly pre-draft by nearly everyone, tends to give one a feeling of optimism. People with physical limitations figure out how to compensate and overcome their limitations. And considering all the other measurables that made hima top ten pick, I feel pretty darn good about him. I don't feel like he was a gamble (as in Farley and Wilson) and when you get down to it 99% of all draft picks are gambles. 

[Mythos27]

11 minutes ago, freakingeek said:

To be rated that highly pre-draft by nearly everyone, tends to give one a feeling of optimism. People with physical limitations figure out how to compensate and overcome their limitations. And considering all the other measurables that made him a top ten pick, I feel pretty darn good about him. I don't feel like he was a gamble (as in Farley and Wilson) and when you get down to it 99% of all draft picks are gambles. 

Gun to my head, I think he'll be a good player, particularly at guard. It's the confidence in him becoming an all-pro at a position he's never played that I don't share. 

[oldschool]

2 hours ago, Mythos27 said:

Gun to my head, I think he'll be a good player, particularly at guard. It's the confidence in him becoming an all-pro at a position he's never played that I don't share. 

 

okay that makes more sense. 

[Titans279]

7 hours ago, oldschool said:

 

I get is arms being an issue for Tackle but why would he be an outlier at OG? Obviously he has to prove it on the field but you are acting like he was a reach... he wasn't.

 

He has very short arms even for a guard. Supposedly 4th percentile for tackles and 11th for guards.

[rns90]

7 hours ago, Mythos27 said:

Technically his arms still make him an outlier at guard, just not as bad. I'm just saying that taking the position switch for granted is unwise. We think he should be fine there but projecting him to be an all-pro player there is presumptive. 

Yeah,  and I'd say there's not a big a gap  between a functional G and a good G,  which is why he almost has to be an All Pro (top 3-5 in the league) to kind of justify this if he ultimately ends up at G, that you picked at 11.

 

I'm not down on the pick.  I still think he can make it at OT but man if he moves to G, he almost has to be great to justify the slot.  If he stays at LT he can be another Roos, Hopkins, Lewan (pre PED and injury version) and be worth it.  Solid reliable/good OT are harder to find.  I mean he doesn't have to play at a Trent Williams level for the pick to be worth the slot.

[Number9]

I hope we are overthinking this.  I also expect Ran Carthon understands what is being discussed here and should understand it better than us.  Unfortunately, our last GM didn't dive this deep into his draft picks.

[Mythos27]

2 hours ago, rns90 said:

Yeah,  and I'd say there's not a big a gap  between a functional G and a good G,  which is why he almost has to be an All Pro (top 3-5 in the league) to kind of justify this if he ultimately ends up at G, that you picked at 11.

 

I'm not down on the pick.  I still think he can make it at OT but man if he moves to G, he almost has to be great to justify the slot.  If he stays at LT he can be another Roos, Hopkins, Lewan (pre PED and injury version) and be worth it.  Solid reliable/good OT are harder to find.  I mean he doesn't have to play at a Trent Williams level for the pick to be worth the slot.

Precisely. If he turns out to be an average LT I'm completely fine with that. Average OG and I'll be pissed.

[nine]

If one were to review and analyze every single play where an NFL OG or OT was beaten, I suspect you’d find the vast majority would be plays where the player showed poor, sloppy technique….and far fewer plays that could have been saved if the OL’s arms were 2-3 inches longer.  
 

It’s inevitable that every OL will get beaten and give up the occasional sack from time to time.     Personally, I suspect a player with consistently flawless technique will get beaten less frequently than a player with superior physical characteristics but inconsistent technique . 

[nine]

I’ll also add that while everyone likes to think a top 10-15 pick will produce a perennial Pro Bowl-type player….in reality, this is only true for a handful of players in any given draft.  
 

If Skoronski ends up being an above-average starter at any position, he’ll be a better pick than 50-60% of the players  drafted in round one…and a better pick than several players who were drafted ahead of him.  

[IsntLifeFunny]

1 hour ago, nine said:

I’ll also add that while everyone likes to think a top 10-15 pick will produce a perennial Pro Bowl-type player….in reality, this is only true for a handful of players in any given draft.  
 

If Skoronski ends up being an above-average starter at any position, he’ll be a better pick than 50-60% of the players  drafted in round one…and a better pick than several players who were drafted ahead of him.  

The argument against this is positional value. Even if your hypothetical stats are correct the other 40 to 50% are at more important positions if he ends up being a guard. 

[prine06]

On 6/4/2023 at 12:20 AM, IsntLifeFunny said:

The argument against this is positional value. Even if your hypothetical stats are correct the other 40 to 50% are at more important positions if he ends up being a guard. 

positional value doesn't mean as much when your on a rookie contract. Almost better he isn't a all pro guard so we don't ever have to deal with a Q Nelson type contract, if he ends up at guard.

[IsntLifeFunny]

2 hours ago, prine06 said:

positional value doesn't mean as much when your on a rookie contract. Almost better he isn't a all pro guard so we don't ever have to deal with a Q Nelson type contract, if he ends up at guard.

You're explaining why positional value actually does matter. If he's an all-pro guard he's going to get paid by someone. The Nelson contract is a perfect example. They now have a large percentage of their cap tied up to a guard. 

[Number9]

Skoronski and Quenton Nelson have very similar body measurements.

 

https://www.nfl.com/players/quenton-nelson/

 

https://www.nfl.com/players/peter-skoronski/

[Bongo59]

Bottom line is you have a guy who can flip out and play LT if you lose your LT.  That to me is worth a lot because of what happened with Lewan and Daley.