oldschool Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 49 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: He's disingenuous because he presents this stuff as if the offensive drop off is purely due to missing Henry rather than losing a staggering amount of difference making players AND Henry. It's why it will ring hollow when he makes some grand thread at the end of the season about how he was right and everyone else is stupid. Everyone knows that's what the "tracking" is really about. It's not some purely academic pursuit. He has his own spreadsheets! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Number9 Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jonboy said: This year, AJB has 4TD, 760yds, but his very presence has improved the scoring 6pts in every game he's played. He's played in 11 games. 66pts!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 Now, Derrick Henry had 937yds rushing and 154yds receiving, plus 10 TD in eight games. BUT This year, AJB has 4TD, 760yds, but his mere presence has improved the scoring 6pts in every game he's played. He's played in 11 games. 66pts!! Henry was sucking up all the praise while AJB was the real cog in the Titans wheel. (*) Click LOL below. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreepingDeath Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Jonboy said: This is disingenuous. Superhorn needs to be sure everyone reading this knows that the Titans have been missing more players than just AJB and Henry. To make it not come off as "passive aggressive" and more in the "snark" ballpark, I'll tag @Mythos27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 4 hours ago, tgo said: He's disingenuous because he disagrees with the talking point promoted by some that the offense as constructed isn't dependent on Henry to really excel? I would say that AJB coming back is an absolutely huge addition and makes a big difference in the pass game. I don't know that I'd get into the weeds arguing about whether Henry or AJB is the more critical skill player, but my personal opinion is that it is Henry. I can see the arguments for AJB too though. He’s disingenuous because he’s smug at every encounter regardless of the discussion while also continuing to not note the major injuries to the rest of the offense in the metrics for the thread. If only Henry was out it would be a viable discussion. When right after Henry goes out you lose your 3 top options besides him and then don’t qualify your statements by at least noting how significant that is then yes, you’re being disingenuous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Jonboy said: This is what I’m talking about when I say the OP is disingenuous. He refuses to even note the major difference between the offense without Henry versus without Henry, Julio, AJB, and Johnson. To not differentiate and at least invite discussion is funny to watch. Egos and all that jazz. I mean look at the end of this OP where he tries to get in front of the criticism by being unnecessarily smarmy for no reason. All he would have to do to be intellectually honest is to discuss the fact our top 3 options went down after Henry went down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 This entire debate has become less than TR.com. Tannehill 2021 is a Top 10 QB with Henry and AJB. I do not think we have seen anyone who disagrees with that statement. Tannehill is not elite. Any team built around a player will be less productive if that player is sidelined with injury. As a football fan site claiming superiority to all the other fan sites, I say this argument is beneath us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 5 hours ago, CreepingDeath said: This is disingenuous. Superhorn needs to be sure everyone reading this knows that the Titans have been missing more players than just AJB and Henry. To make it not come off as "passive aggressive" and more in the "snark" ballpark, I'll tag @Mythos27 I hope this is an example of you simply ignoring nuance to take a weak dig rather than a case where you can't actually see the difference... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 18 hours ago, tgo said: I would say that AJB coming back is an absolutely huge addition and makes a big difference in the pass game. I don't know that I'd get into the weeds arguing about whether Henry or AJB is the more critical skill player, but my personal opinion is that it is Henry. I can see the arguments for AJB too though. I'll give you a little credit for coming over this way to this degree. Earlier you would have scoffed at the notion of even comparing anyone to Henry. You were a sucker for CJ too. It's real simple, points come from the passing game. The passing game consist of the QB, pass protection and pass catchers. Derrick Henry is a very good two down RB, All world when he has blocking that gets him into the 2nd level consistently. Because he's a physical freak and has long runs(all of two this season) and piles up huge stats against terrible run defenses he's elevated into some mythical player that he really isn't. He also isn't very effective on 1st down(most of which isn't his fault), especially against good teams. The passing game is more important than the running game. Anyone too dumb to know this isn't worth arguing with. The passing game has been the main issue with the "offensive fallout", Henry isn't a factor in that and wouldn't even be on the field for most of these sets. They woulda had the same issues with him still playing they've had. If you were given the choice to have great pass protection and great pass catchers but would have to have the current group of runners you would take that without question. It's embarrassing to even pose the question. The running game is complimentary to an efficient passing game. Understand this basic stuff or lump yourself in with ignorant retards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 14 hours ago, CreepingDeath said: This is disingenuous. Superhorn needs to be sure everyone reading this knows that the Titans have been missing more players than just AJB and Henry. @Superhorn tweeted AJB is "the engine that elevates the PASSING GAME". There is nothing disingenuous at it all. He's talking about the passing game, I'll say it again, the passing game. Brown is an explosive big play WR, of course he's needed to elevate the Titans passing game. The Titans converted an NFL season high 3rd and longs vs the 9ers, they couldn't stop Brown in those situations. Henry wouldn't have been on the field on those plays. BTW, Superhorn also showed how Tannehill had to scramble away from broken down pass protection to convert some of those plays. They coulda used Lewan and Saffold too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 23 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: @Superhorn tweeted AJB is "the engine that elevates the PASSING GAME". There is nothing disingenuous at it all. He's talking about the passing game, I'll say it again, the passing game. Brown is an explosive big play WR, of course he's needed to elevate the Titans passing game. The Titans converted an NFL season high 3rd and longs vs the 9ers, they couldn't stop Brown in those situations. Henry wouldn't have been on the field on those plays. BTW, Superhorn also showed how Tannehill had to scramble away from broken down pass protection to convert some of those plays. They coulda used Lewan and Saffold too I think he was just trying to find a way to take a jab at me because I called him passive aggressive the other day. I think/hope, he understands the difference between these two arguments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 19 hours ago, Mythos27 said: He's disingenuous because he presents this stuff as if the offensive drop off is purely due to missing Henry rather than losing a staggering amount of difference making players AND Henry. It's why it will ring hollow when he makes some grand thread at the end of the season about how he was right and everyone else is stupid. Everyone knows that's what the "tracking" is really about. It's not some purely academic pursuit. .......after therefore because of It's a classic post hoc fallacy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 Why stop the fantasy football analysis at WR. Wonder how many points per game Titans will score without Tannehill? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzyeddie Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 Let's go get us a great QB a couple great WRs an throw in a great pass blocking oline Don't know why we haven't thought of this What could possibly go wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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