Titandan Posted Friday at 11:34 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 11:34 PM 12 minutes ago, Stan said: Yes and Iraq had WMDs I had buddies join after 9/11 they were die hard America first guys from my high school and every single one of them said there was absolutely nothing of the sort in Iraq.they did tours in Afghanistan too and they said all they did was guard poopy fields for most of the duty. It’s complete fabricated lies constant propaganda forced down your throats. We destroyed Iraq they were a thriving country before we invaded it. See an average American can’t comprehend that some countries need a dictator type to control the religious fanatics and nationalists. That’s why Yugoslavia fell after Tito. Every country wanted its independence , when Tito ran the government there was no religious fanatics, no nationalism forcing its ways into the population. America has destroyed Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, Yemen. We are the bad guys. Iraq is kind of debatable. For our selfish purposes, we should have never invaded Iraq or at least benefitted more from it rather than just the US Military Industrial Complex. Iraq's GDP grew exponentially since the start of the war. But I believe there was a narrative back in the day that Iran and Iraq kept each other preoccupied so we should have probably left good enough alone. But if we are talking about the benefit of the Iraqi people, I think they are in a better position today than they were in 2003. Their GDP grew more than 10x since 2003. https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/irq/iraq/gdp-gross-domestic-product We can only speculate on where Iraq and Iran would be at today if we never invaded Iraq. reo, and Jamalisms 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted Friday at 11:42 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 11:42 PM 3 minutes ago, Titandan said: Iraq is kind of debatable. For our selfish purposes, we should have never invaded Iraq or at least benefitted more from it rather than just the US Military Industrial Complex. Iraq's GDP grew exponentially since the start of the war. But I believe there was a narrative back in the day that Iran and Iraq kept each other preoccupied so we should have probably left good enough alone. But if we are talking about the benefit of the Iraqi people, I think they are in a better position today than they were in 2003. Their GDP grew more than 10x since 2003. https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/irq/iraq/gdp-gross-domestic-product We can only speculate on where Iraq and Iran would be at today if we never invaded Iraq. It’s not up for debate. A million Iraqis died. No WMDs. Sunnis and Shiites at war, numerous of our soldiers dead, pow or missing. Another cluster fuck. You wanna win back the Muslim population in the Middle East? Easy, leave their country remove all the bases surrounding them, stop supporting Israel, and the Saudis, stop bombing innocent kids, and you’ll win the hearts and minds of 99 percent of the population there. MadMax, and Omar 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titandan Posted Friday at 11:49 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 11:49 PM 3 minutes ago, Stan said: It’s not up for debate. A million Iraqis died. No WMDs. Sunnis and Shiites at war, numerous of our soldiers dead, pow or missing. Another cluster fuck. You wanna win back the Muslim population in the Middle East? Easy, leave their country remove all the bases surrounding them, stop supporting Israel, and the Saudis, stop bombing innocent kids, and you’ll win the hearts and minds of 99 percent of the population there. Like I said... not worth the trouble for us and it was devastating to the locals. But there's been devastation in that country during Saddam Hussein's rule as well. I have a Kurdish friend in Iraq. He's glad Saddam is out of power so it might depend on who you ask. Are there any Saddam sympathizers? Maybe... I haven't met one and I don't care enough to look them up. I don't want to police the world. If I had any choice in the matter, I would never have invaded Iraq. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted Saturday at 12:22 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 12:22 AM (edited) The god damn circle jerk of the dumb and gullible as they pass talking points back and forth trying to convince themselves to be excited about something they were firmly against 3 god damn weeks ago is pathetic to watch. Everyone on this board is just watching this happen in amazement. Literally all they had to do was give them one recycled reason and they're back on board. They're like fans a failing franchise who just drafted Shaduer Sanders in the 5th round and now theyre convincing themselves that they're back baby! Jesus fucking Christ.... Edited Saturday at 12:28 AM by reo ChemEngr79, IsntLifeFunny, OILERMAN, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted Saturday at 12:28 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 12:28 AM 5 minutes ago, reo said: The god damn circle jerk of the dumb and gullible as they pass talking points back and forth trying to convince themselves to be excited about something they were firmly against 3 god damn weeks ago is pathetic to watch. Everyone on this board is just watching this happen in amazement. Literally all they had to do was give them one recycled reason and they're back on board. They're like fans a failing franchise who just drafted Shaduer Sanders in the 5th round and now theyre convincing themselves that they're back baby! Jesus fucking Christ.... It's frustrating because they represent the whole, not just the majority. If they didn't it would be easier to ignore, but it does nothing to engage, which is also annoying. They don't argue with any logical consistency or even what I would consider to be an earnest debate. reo, and MadMax 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted Saturday at 12:33 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 12:33 AM 2 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: It's frustrating because they represent the whole, not just the majority. If they didn't it would be easier to ignore, but it does nothing to engage, which is also annoying. They don't argue with any logical consistency or even what I would consider to be an earnest debate. They argue using whatever rational they've employed to alleviate their cognitive dissonance, not facts or reasoning bc they didnt use facts or reasoning to decide what to believe in the first place. They just used a desire for it to be correct. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted Saturday at 12:34 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 12:34 AM Just bc his rants are good for the soul... IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted Saturday at 12:37 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 12:37 AM You know its coming.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzTitan Posted Saturday at 01:01 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:01 AM If there is no regime change on US terms then this was a failure. It's just the June strikes on steroids but changes little mid to long term other than give Iran a reputational win as far as looking a lot stronger than some may have thought they were. Destroying a lot of their military hardware is good, but have they actually degraded their ability to fund terrorism? have they done anything to make their leadership want to change course? They'd be back at it by year's end probably. Titandan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted Saturday at 01:07 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:07 AM 4 minutes ago, OzTitan said: If there is no regime change on US terms then this was a failure. It's just the June strikes on steroids but changes little mid to long term other than give Iran a reputational win as far as looking a lot stronger than some may have thought they were. Destroying a lot of their military hardware is good, but have they actually degraded their ability to fund terrorism? have they done anything to make their leadership want to change course? They'd be back at it by year's end probably. It's not just a reputational win if the US backs off. Iran will be emboldened bc the US tried to take them out and lost so they'll know theyre unlikely to try again which means all the US threats will be neutered. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titandan Posted Saturday at 01:13 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:13 AM OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzTitan Posted Saturday at 01:16 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:16 AM 1 minute ago, reo said: It's not just a reputational win if the US backs off. Iran will be emboldened bc the US tried to take them out and lost so they'll know theyre unlikely to try again which means all the US threats will be neutered. I don't think Trump and co would have any qualms with resuming it at some other random time. The fact they did this at all seems to indicate they'd pick it back up again despite the many obvious reasons not to, because those same reasons all pretty much existed a few weeks ago too, so why not just ignore them again. The real question is, does Iran actually back off on militarizing the strait? that may be something that only gets known when tested. With this failure of a war, it also means this can change on Iran's whim for a while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted Saturday at 01:18 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:18 AM (edited) 2 minutes ago, OzTitan said: I don't think Trump and co would have any qualms with resuming it at some other random time. Hell yeah he would have reservation or at least his admin would. He's getting creamed in the polls on this. Edited Saturday at 01:19 AM by reo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted Saturday at 01:20 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:20 AM Self perseveration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted Saturday at 01:21 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:21 AM 44 minutes ago, reo said: You know it’s coming.... should have fucking done that 2 weeks ago MadMax, reo, and IsntLifeFunny 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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