titanskick8851 Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 Thought this was interesting and would drum up some good discussion: Very interesting to see the passes defensed rate up so much and our ability to force turnovers, but such a drop off in being able to get teams off the field on 3rd downs. Part of me says if they get more aggressive and close the ground then even more turnovers will follow, but there is a thing called Turnover Luck and we have been on the plus side of that all year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vintagerobots Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 Is there somewhere I can read this that isn’t confusing as hell? I hate these damn twitter threads Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
japan Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 How many big pass deflections does Simmons have. Can’t understate how great he’s playing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoshimitsu Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 I'd say the reason why the pass defense rate is higher this year is because teams understand that the defense is very susceptible in the secondary. Defense might have more pass defenses, but they've been thrown on more this year as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoshimitsu Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 1 minute ago, japan said: How many big pass deflections does Simmons have. Can’t understate how great he’s playing. He's been a ridiculous presence on the d-line. He's been very fun to watch this year as well. He's the most complete player on defense that we've had in a long time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 The corners have had tight coverage contrary to what many believe here I’ve rewatched games due to work and I see tight throws and good throws made by other teams QBs. I think the biggest issue is that these tight throws have been mostly on 3rd downs so it makes it look that much worse. The good news is we’re forcing teams into 3rd downs but bad news is we can’t stop them. I think that’s been on coaching. We’re letting teams get to comfortable and these guys are running free no corner can cover all day. Gotta start bringing outside pressure. This is why Logan Ryan is missed he was a best blitzing corner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 Steelers converted at least 2 3rd and 10+ on their first drive alone iirc. It's why I wasn't too worried when they got up early. That's not sustainable... then the Titans pretty much shut them down the 2nd half iirc. Getting Adoree back could be key for the titans defense. But where's Evans? he's been invisible. Gotta think it has something to do w/ losing Pees who always seemed to have a great ILB in his defenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, Yoshimitsu said: I'd say the reason why the pass defense rate is higher this year is because teams understand that the defense is very susceptible in the secondary. Defense might have more pass defenses, but they've been thrown on more this year as well. I think it is the crazy amount of soft zone we have played. Either they get a easy catch or the defender gets a good break and gets a hand in there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 Good info Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 We discussed a few weeks ago that the Titans 1st and 2nd defense has been respectable despite the secondary issues. Where they fall off the map is on 3rd down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 It’s on coaching. I never understood how guys get open in these zone coverages for first downs. It’s got to be maddening when you’re in 3rd and 8 and some dickhead 4th string receiver is getting a first down on you. Continuing the drive. This is why the chiefs beat us last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 16 minutes ago, japan said: How many big pass deflections does Simmons have. Can’t understate how great he’s playing. Came in to post this. Jeff Simmons is literally the only reason the wheels haven't come completely off of this defense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Stan said: It’s on coaching. I never understood how guys get open in these zone coverages for first downs. It’s got to be maddening when you’re in 3rd and 8 and some dickhead 4th string receiver is getting a first down on you. Continuing the drive. This is why the chiefs beat us last year. It's not just coaching. Too many defenders are covering the grass in their zone rather than the man. Receivers routinely run crossers and no back gets a hand on them. We offer no resistance at the LOS to receivers so they get 100% clean releases every down. It's a mess. You can't stop the short/quick passing game playing the way we currently are and that's where the Steelers hurt us. They'll try it again next time we see them and as of right now we have no answer for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 Wasnt there something about Vrabel installing his "packages" on 3rd down last year? Like it was Dean Pees D but Vrabel controlled 3rd downs. Seems to me that wasnt a strong point last year and we've doubled down on it. I REAAALLY hope that JRob only approved the no DC situation if it could be re-evaluated at the midpoint of the season. Ints are not sustainable. We are getting them because teams know they can throw a lot on us... so they throw a bunch and we are playing a defense that keeps the ball in front of us so the players are more aware of where the ball is once tipped. Added into that is our DBs playing so far off the ball that its easy pitch and catch on 3rd down. We have a couple of really good safeties. We don't need to help them so much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 45 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: It's not just coaching. Too many defenders are covering the grass in their zone rather than the man. Receivers routinely run crossers and no back gets a hand on them. We offer no resistance at the LOS to receivers so they get 100% clean releases every down. It's a mess. You can't stop the short/quick passing game playing the way we currently are and that's where the Steelers hurt us. They'll try it again next time we see them and as of right now we have no answer for it. It's this. Receivers are just running free into the hole in zone and sitting there. Ball gets out fast and 3rd and long is converted. Add in some passes where the ball is caught short and the tackling is atrocious. And there were a few where the qb just scrambled for a first down (not in this game though) and that's how we suck so bad. Hopefully they learned to adjust because it's been a problem for the entire year it seems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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