Titans279 Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 hour ago, tgo said: Do you guys understand political messaging at all? As in, how to win elections. We have to win the center to win the election, period. About 35% of the country is far right, about 35% is progressive, and about 30% is in the center. You already have the 35% locked down because of the R or D next to the candidate’s name, so the game becomes winning the center with your message. That "middle 30%" doesn't actually swing back and forth at all. Most of them even if they don't identify as a D or R will consistently side with one or the other. Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG53 Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 Why don't you like Warren @tgo? She's the best of the bunch. OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 ... Weird! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 I wonder if the Never Trump Republicans will support Biden in the primaries. He isn’t the most conservative Dem in the race but he is the one with the best chance to win who would keep a more liberal Dem away from the nomination. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 There aren’t many Never Trump Republicans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Starkiller said: Elizabeth Warren has a better populist message than anyone in the race. She can appeal to the masses without the socialist label in a way that Bernie can not. You do understand that even if Democrats took the White House and both branches of government they couldn't just "ram through a plethora of leftist legislation", right? Even if they eliminate the filibuster, they still need votes from more conservative Democrats to pass any bill. Lol right. Thus you need compromise or government is broken. Bipartisanship compromise is the only alternative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 20 minutes ago, Starkiller said: I wonder if the Never Trump Republicans will support Biden in the primaries. He isn’t the most conservative Dem in the race but he is the one with the best chance to win who would keep a more liberal Dem away from the nomination. Alan Dershowitz said he would haha, even as a personal friend of Trump. George Will said he'd vote for the right Democrat over Trump, but wouldn't vote for some. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, tgo said: Lol right. Thus you need compromise or government is broken. Bipartisanship compromise is the only alternative. There is no compromise just because they vote for a moderate Dem. The GOP is going to attack whoever the Dems nominate and whoever the next Dem president is. Doesn’t matter if it’s Biden or Warren or whoever else. You need to win over the voters. One party is going to need control over the White House and both houses of Congress. Edited June 18, 2019 by Starkiller Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, WG53 said: Why don't you like Warren @tgo? She's the best of the bunch. I already enumerated the reasons in another post that I don't like Warren, but I'll summarize succinctly. -Can't stand the divisive class warfare populist rhetoric, which takes on a more severe tone with Bernie and Warren -she's an ideological purist rather than a pragmatist -no foreign policy experience -She's anti business and demonizes banks and corporations -no real legislative accomplishments (due to being a purist) -comes across as a policy wonk professor type, doesn't seem like a strong leader like Hillary -Disagree with several of her policy proposals Not only that, but her campaign is totally issue-focused which is not seeing the forest for the trees in this election. Her campaign represents almost nothing that I'm looking for in a candidate. Edited June 18, 2019 by tgo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Starkiller said: There is no compromise just because they vote for a moderate Dem. The GOP is going to attack whoever the Dems nominate and whoever the next Dem president is. Doesn’t matter if it’s Biden or Warren or whoever else. You need to win over the voters. One party is going to need control over the White House and both houses of Congress. Do you think having Warren (for instance) at the top of the Dem ticket is going to help win the Senate in red states? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, tgo said: Do you think having Warren (for instance) at the top of the Dem ticket is going to help win the Senate in red states? In the end, I actually think it will. As I said, she has the best populist message to win over voters in states like that. Biden certainly isn’t going to convince anyone in the red states. Maybe the purple states, but not the red ones. Edited June 18, 2019 by Starkiller Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Starkiller said: In the end, I actually think it will. As I said, she has the best populist message to win over voters in states like that. Biden certainly isn’t going to convince anyone in the red states. Maybe the purple states, but not the red ones. Oh he's not? haha ok. The polls in red states (Texas, North Carolina, Georgia, South Carolina) say otherwise. Here's an example: Remember how Biden endorsed Doug Jones and campaigned really hard for him in Alabama (multiple times) and then he won? So in Alabama it looks like the child molester very well may win the Republican primary again and it could be a Doug Jones vs. Roy Moore redux. Biden would most certainly help Jones (who has already endorsed Biden) win there if this happens, Warren would have to stay away from Alabama if she were the candidate. And look at Biden's overwhelming popularity in South Carolina. He could definitely lift the ticket in the Carolinas. To say otherwise is just simply hogwash. Edited June 18, 2019 by tgo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMax Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, Soxcat said: You really think Biden has a shot in South Carolina? Really? There are a lot of back woods shit kickers there so probably not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 Warren is a pragmatic politician. Mythos27, and WG53 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 50 minutes ago, Soxcat said: You really think Biden has a shot in South Carolina? Really? I don't think he will win SC. I do think that his presence on the ticket would aid the Democratic Senate candidate rather than hurt them though. I don't see a victory there either way, but the state isn't totally out of play either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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