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Let's talk Pete Buttigieg - After that CNN town hall, dude deserves his own thread

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4 hours ago, Legaltitan said:

I'm sorry - if: (1) a black dude with a middle name that is identical to America Enemy #1, and a last name that sounds almost exactly like America Enemy #1A; and (2) a reality TV star who is otherwise best known for a string of bankrupty casinos and hotels and shady dealings,

 

can each be elected President, I don't think any of us can with any certainty say that Candidate X has no shot to win.

The bar is so low right now though.  It's kinda like... is he breathing? Sure-  

 

Not saying this guy is a horrible candidate, just ... how do you judge what is possible or even likely anymore?     

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'Nator   
4 hours ago, Legaltitan said:

I'm sorry - if: (1) a black dude with a middle name that is identical to America Enemy #1, and a last name that sounds almost exactly like America Enemy #1A; and (2) a reality TV star who is otherwise best known for a string of bankrupty casinos and hotels and shady dealings,

 

can each be elected President, I don't think any of us can with any certainty say that Candidate X has no shot to win.

True (and I said as much in my parenthetical) but Obama won by getting literally every black voter. Seriously, they all came out and voted for him. Which is why Hillary lost. Half of those folks stayed home. 

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4 hours ago, 'Nator said:

True (and I said as much in my parenthetical) but Obama won by getting literally every black voter. Seriously, they all came out and voted for him. Which is why Hillary lost. Half of those folks stayed home. 

Depending on the poll you read, roughly 90% of black people voted for Hillary.  93% for Obama in 2012.  

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10 hours ago, Legaltitan said:

I'm sorry - if: (1) a black dude with a middle name that is identical to America Enemy #1, and a last name that sounds almost exactly like America Enemy #1A; and (2) a reality TV star who is otherwise best known for a string of bankrupty casinos and hotels and shady dealings,

 

can each be elected President, I don't think any of us can with any certainty say that Candidate X has no shot to win.

This seems like a logic fail.

 

I'm not saying Pete can't win. I'm saying he has a harder path since he has more people who have initial reservations about voting for a young candidate or a gay candidate. Those are additional barriers he has to overcome.

 

BTW this was a nice live podcast interview with him. I actually like him a lot too. I'm a little skeptical of his age and inexperience though. 

 

https://player.fm/series/voxs-the-weeds/live-weeds-with-pete-buttigieg

 

Dara, Jane, and Matt sit down with the South Bend, Indiana, mayor and presidential candidate, live from South by Southwest.
We are conducting an audience survey to better serve you. It takes no more than five minutes, and it really helps out the show. 

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10 hours ago, Rogue said:

Depending on the poll you read, roughly 90% of black people voted for Hillary.  93% for Obama in 2012.  

that's the percentage of people who voted. Lots of folks stayed home in 2016. 

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9 hours ago, Titans279 said:

This seems like a logic fail.

 

I'm not saying Pete can't win. I'm saying he has a harder path since he has more people who have initial reservations about voting for a young candidate or a gay candidate. Those are additional barriers he has to overcome.

 

BTW this was a nice live podcast interview with him. I actually like him a lot too. I'm a little skeptical of his age and inexperience though. 

 

https://player.fm/series/voxs-the-weeds/live-weeds-with-pete-buttigieg

 

Dara, Jane, and Matt sit down with the South Bend, Indiana, mayor and presidential candidate, live from South by Southwest.
We are conducting an audience survey to better serve you. It takes no more than five minutes, and it really helps out the show. 

It's not a logical fail because I'm not saying that because Obama and Trump won, Buttigieg will or even can win.

 

What I think it does prove, logically, that you can't count a candidate out because of his lack of experience and his name. That's literally all I said, and the examples I provided establish that point.

 

Saying he has challenged because he is young and gay is different that what I addressed.

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9 Nines   

A gay candidate?  Against Trump?   That would be like your car is on fire, then instead of grabbing the convenient water hose nearby, you rush off to grab a can of gasoline to put out the fire. 

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9 Nines   

If Buttigieg were the Democratic nominee. 

 

Republican National Convention:

 

President Trump:  You all know I love women.. DO I LOVE WOMEN.   Nothing like a man loving a woman...Am I right? 

 

You know, when a woman finally wins the presidency her husband will be First Gentleman.  Did you know that?  My wife is the First Lady, but WHEN a woman is president, her husband will be First Gentleman. That is what they will call it, many people say. BUT, if BUTman, BUTTget, or how do you pronounce his name? BUTTsomething.  You know what I MEAN?

 

If BUTTdude won, his husband....or is it wife?  Man I love WOMEN.  Do you love women???  BUTT...but if BUTTdude won, his wife, or is it husband??  Is that weird, wife or husband??  His HUSBAND would be First Gentleman.  Can you imagine that??  I always thought the First Gentleman would be the husband of the first female president, but BUTTdude's husbands or is it wife would be First Gentleman???   

 

Did I say I LOVE WOMEN?  American men love women!!! 

 

Anyway, No one wants a BUTTman in the White House.  Am I right??  Am, I right??

 

 

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9 Nines   

In all the mid-western and industrial NE states needed to win, President Trump would gain, not lose, support of blue-collar men if the Democrats nominated this guy. 

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13 hours ago, Rogue said:

Depending on the poll you read, roughly 90% of black people voted for Hillary.  93% for Obama in 2012.  

90% of blacks who voted voted for Hillary, sure. Many stayed home. Black turnout was significantly down.

 

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/12/black-voter-turnout-fell-in-2016-even-as-a-record-number-of-americans-cast-ballots/

 

And any any rate that extra 2% would have given Hillary the rust belt and an easy electoral victory. 

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9 Nines   
29 minutes ago, 'Nator said:

90% of blacks who voted voted for Hillary, sure. Many stayed home. Black turnout was significantly down.

 

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/12/black-voter-turnout-fell-in-2016-even-as-a-record-number-of-americans-cast-ballots/

 

And any any rate that extra 2% would have given Hillary the rust belt and an easy electoral victory. 

This is one of the ways the Russians interfered.   This was the Russian's main game plan: to cause various Democrats to not vote.  Black Americans might have been the biggest single target. 

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It just so happens that, according to 2 top Trump campaign guys who were interviewed right before the election, their primary strategy, and in fact self-declared only path to victory, was to suppress the vote.

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9 minutes ago, 9 Nines said:

This is one of the ways the Russians interfered.   This was the Russian's main game plan: to cause various Democrats to not vote.  Black Americans might have been the biggest single target. 

I just think this is a total crock of horse shit. Any troublemaking on the part of the Russians was simply a reciprocal for US activities undermining the elections in Ukraine. They're simply trying to sew discontent in whatever way they can, embarrass candidates, and throw the election results into disarray..basically what we do over there.

 

They don't have a master plan to fuck Democrats. They have a master plan to fuck the country in general.

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2 minutes ago, kgsTitan said:

I just think this is a total crock of horse shit. Any troublemaking on the part of the Russians was simply a reciprocal for US activities undermining the elections in invasion of Ukraine. They're simply trying to sew discontent in whatever way they can, embarrass candidates, and throw the election results into disarray..basically what we do over there.

 

They don't have a master plan to fuck Democrats. They have a master plan to fuck the country in general.

You are wrong. They were specifically trying to undercut Hillary. They aren’t simply sowing discord, they are supporting specific political candidates across the globe.

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