socaltitan Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 We also have a distinct lack of blue chip/impact players. If you have a chance to acquire one, I wouldn't immediately shoot it down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 Stating the obvious, but it depends on what they want for him. I would give up a single first and make it dependent on it being whichever is the lower one. If they won't take that then I'm not even listening to a counter offer unless it's a low end player like Jones or Blackson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
socaltitan Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 You could also draft a bust with that pick. Wilkerson is a known commodity and 26. I generally don't like trading a 1st for a player, but I'd consider an exception for him, especially considering we have 2 ones. He's arguably the best 3-4 DE after Watt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepingTitan Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 On 6/16/2016 at 11:37 AM, JakePA_Titan said: Don't think TEN touches the situation. Yeah looking to build a foundation & culture here, not buy one. Mo isn't gonna bring an extra 150mil in rev either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 7 hours ago, TitanDuckFan said: This guy's a hare's breath from Free Agency and y'all want to burn a 1st round pick to get him? And an existing player? I don't understand that at all. Any team that traded for him wouldn't do so without signing him to a long term deal first Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharrdWood Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 6 hours ago, Soxcat said: You could draft another Wilkerson with that pick. Wilkerson has had 8.5 more sacks in 5 years than Casey. Significant maybe but he really isn't a monumental upgrade to a guy like Casey. Now it would be nice to have two guys like that at DE. No doubt about it. But I mentioned before Blackson and Klug combined for 6.5 sacks last year. Point being those guys, playing DE opposite Casey for the most part, had comparable results to Casey and slightly less than Wilkerson's average. Maybe Wilkerson gets more snaps (Blackson and Klug get far fewer obviously) but in the end maybe the results are that much different overall. It is a valid question when paying a guy all that money and also givng up a draft pick. While we might have a better overall player at DE the team sacks might no increase enough to justify the deal. Now you add in Jones and Blackson with upside. They can still get better. Add in we just used a 2nd round pick on another DL guy (who could be another Wilkerson). Austin Johnson looks like a darn good prospect. Blackson by the way is a darn good athlete for a guy his size running a sub 5.0 40 and a 31 inch vertical. He and Jones are a couple of the best draft picks we have had Your argument is sound except for this...opposing offenses have to gameplan Wilkerson. And he still put up his numbers. Blackson and Klug don't get gameplanned. Wilkerson would have a much greater overall impact by causing offenses to keep in extra protection and/or eliminate the plays they'd like to run, not to mention the knock-on effect it has on the next two levels of the defense. Tennessee won't do it, but you'd be getting a game changer entering the prime of his career. Don't get me wrong, I like Blackson and Klug, but this is Mo Wilkerson we're talking about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 45 minutes ago, Soxcat said: That is a good point and I'm certainly not equating Klug/Blackson to Wilkerson. But Wilkerson played on a DL with Sheldon Richardson and of course Leonard Williams. So it wasn't like the offense was focusing on him only. I have no problem signing the guy as a free agent if that is what JRob wants to do but no way we should give up a pick. And for all we know we just picked a guy like Wilkerson in the draft. I still believe our DL is going to be damn good without Wilkerson and the money is better spent making another group damn good. I'm pretty much with you here Sox, and I LOVE Mo. If he was an UFA this offseason I would've went all in, but things have changed a bit. As great as the guy is we'd have to trade a premier pick & pay him zillions. Now, I personally don't think teams trade for vet players enough, but in this case it just doesn't make enough sense to me. We really have some nice talent on the DL & while I agree with TF that trying to build a "balanced" team is stupid & building dominant units is more important, I just feel like too many good, young players would waste away here. I don't think many realize how good DQ Jones was last year, he seriously came on right around when Mularkey took over. It started off in the NO game, where he was an absolute force, and he just kept going from there. You simply could not run on him, he was just too strong. He's not much of a pass rusher yet but I saw a bunch of plays where mauled his man back toward the QB. He looked like a totally different guy last year, in way better shape,the dude was a very solid 335. I'm telling you, if he improves his pass rush, which is obviously a big if, he's going to be a premier player. Then you have a guy like Blackson who was misused in college as a 2 gap NT. He had super athletic combine numbers & showed some legit pass rushing skills as a rook. And we drafted Austin Johnson, who just sounds like an all around force at NT or 5 tech. Sometimes you have to just let your kids play & see what you have. I think we're going to have a lot of DL talent on minimum salaries the next few years. I'd save the money & use it on a corner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharrdWood Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 3 hours ago, Soxcat said: That is a good point and I'm certainly not equating Klug/Blackson to Wilkerson. But Wilkerson played on a DL with Sheldon Richardson and of course Leonard Williams. So it wasn't like the offense was focusing on him only. I have no problem signing the guy as a free agent if that is what JRob wants to do but no way we should give up a pick. And for all we know we just picked a guy like Wilkerson in the draft. I still believe our DL is going to be damn good without Wilkerson and the money is better spent making another group damn good. Let's see how those two do this year if Mo leaves. Casey and Mo in the front?! All 3 levels get better. All of a sudden we have LBs making a major difference in pass rush, TE coverage, and in the running game. Ss and CBs that have that split second to recover. I ask this question in all honesty, as I don't follow CFB...is there a DL prospect in the next 2-3 years that would equate to Wilkerson from Day One? If not, you make the deal imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle021 Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 4 hours ago, CharrdWood said: Let's see how those two do this year if Mo leaves. Casey and Mo in the front?! All 3 levels get better. All of a sudden we have LBs making a major difference in pass rush, TE coverage, and in the running game. Ss and CBs that have that split second to recover. I ask this question in all honesty, as I don't follow CFB...is there a DL prospect in the next 2-3 years that would equate to Wilkerson from Day One? If not, you make the deal imo. Jonathon Allen, Malik McDowell this year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 The Jets want to much for him hence this is dragging out. Wouldn't mind paying the man but the draft compensation needs to be minimal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jd8 Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 11 hours ago, CharrdWood said: Let's see how those two do this year if Mo leaves. Casey and Mo in the front?! All 3 levels get better. All of a sudden we have LBs making a major difference in pass rush, TE coverage, and in the running game. Ss and CBs that have that split second to recover. I ask this question in all honesty, as I don't follow CFB...is there a DL prospect in the next 2-3 years that would equate to Wilkerson from Day One? If not, you make the deal imo. Equate? As in equal to Mo in their rookie year? Not one defensive lineman in this draft will be equally as good as Mo from day one. Not many rookies ever are considered elite! And not just that we are talking about a top 2 3-4 DE! There is a good chance that no Dlineman in this draft from any team will be as good as Wilkerson EVER let alone one that we draft in their rookie year. We are talking about an athletically gifted 315 pound defensive lineman that was able to stand up at time and play OLBer! And not only rush the QB he would drop in coverage also. He is a force against the run And has the ability to change games as a pass rusher. The guy is not a common player. He is a very gifted player. 64 tackles - 12 sacks - 26 QB hits - 45 QB hurries - 7 passes defended - 2 FF Those are ridiculous numbers for a 315 pound 3-4 DE We don't have one player on our team last year except MAYBE Delanie that was considered elite. I love Casey but would not put him at elite status. So that means we have nobody on this team that is as good as Wilkerson at any position. Like I saw mentioned above we could just draft the next Wilkerson with that pick we would give up. If it was that easy we would already have 3 Wilkersons on the line. We could also draft another Kendall Wright or Chance Warmack with the pick. He is very young still and in his prime. He has been a very good player since his rookie year. He didn't just explode a year or 2 before his contract expired. He is a good character guy and elite football player. If we don't do it I understand why but the ones who think it's ridiculous to trade a first for an elite 26 year old DE in his prime to not even entertain the idea that is the crazy part. It seems like some fans are terrified to spend money this isn't the same salary cap days as 10 years ago! If Johnson developed into a quality Nose we could have a top 3 defensive line! And with a line like that the LBers and secondary would all greatly benefit! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG53 Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 Nope. Not giving up a first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 So what would people be willing to trade to get Wilkerson (along with his huge contract)? As I said, I'd offer them Jones straight up. I think that's a reasonable offer considering they can't or won't sign Wilkerson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Righteous Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 I'd give a 2018 second rounder. And let's start bludgeoning people upfront! Wilkerson would be a huge get! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 A third sounds right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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