socaljake Posted March 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 10 minutes ago, wiscotitansfan said: There is a 100% chance we don't trade this pick now; that being said, this is a really good move for CLE. I'm not sold RGIII means no QB at 2, but it might create enough doubt about their intentions. Maybe they take Ramsey. They lost Gipson so they have a need there. Maybe Tunsil's also in play. I know people will point out Joe Thomas, but they almost traded him last year and they lost Schwartz at RT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 3 minutes ago, TitanDuckFan said: Fisher didn't because after the draft trade for RGIII, if Da Rams did that it would cause a rip in the space/time continuum. You're fairly new to this board, coming along with Marcus, so I don't know if you're aware but I'm as big a Jeff Fisher fan as there is. There's only a few of us, OMan & CTF being the most prominent, that are huge Fisher fans. So with that said, and it pains me to say this, I truly have no idea what Jeff Fisher is thinking. I really don't. For the 2nd straight year he just completely ignored the plethora of good OC candidates out there, promoting some guy named Frank Cignetti last year, who promptly was fired with a month to go in the season. I figured he'd learned his lesson after that & would hire an experienced guy. He didn't agree. He also tendered Case Keenum at a 1st round level & has shown zero interest in any other QB. I realize there isn't much out there but guys like Fitz would be a big improvement. I wish he'd get creative, look at guys like RG3 or CK, who could kill teams with their legs off of PA to Gurley. It almost seems like he's checked out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanDuckFan Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 7 minutes ago, Face said: You're fairly new to this board, coming along with Marcus, so I don't know if you're aware but I'm as big a Jeff Fisher fan as there is. There's only a few of us, OMan & CTF being the most prominent, that are huge Fisher fans. So with that said, and it pains me to say this, I truly have no idea what Jeff Fisher is thinking. I really don't. For the 2nd straight year he just completely ignored the plethora of good OC candidates out there, promoting some guy named Frank Cignetti last year, who promptly was fired with a month to go in the season. I figured he'd learned his lesson after that & would hire an experienced guy. He didn't agree. He also tendered Case Keenum at a 1st round level & has shown zero interest in any other QB. I realize there isn't much out there but guys like Fitz would be a big improvement. I wish he'd get creative, look at guys like RG3 or CK, who could kill teams with their legs off of PA to Gurley. It almost seems like he's checked out. Actually it was just a joke Face. I like Fisher okay, but sometimes I just have to wonder about his thought processes. Maybe his new QB coach (Wienke) and pass game coordinator (Groh) can turn things around. Don't be surprised if he manages to make something out of Sean Mannion, that kid has some serious arm talent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiscotitansfan Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 12 minutes ago, socaltitan said: I'm not sold RGIII means no QB at 2, but it might create enough doubt about their intentions. Maybe they take Ramsey. They lost Gipson so they have a need there. Maybe Tunsil's also in play. I know people will point out Joe Thomas, but they almost traded him last year and they lost Schwartz at RT. I agree that it doesn't mean they won't take a QB at 2 but it for sure doesn't create urgency which is the only way imo we trade the pick. If PHI or SF is absolutely sold on a specific player and they are certain that CLE is 100% taking that guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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big2033 Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 9 minutes ago, Jonboy said: Having a bit of a hard time believing that. It behooves the Browns to keep that QB-at-No. 2 narrative going regardless. It'd be odd for RGlll to sign with the Browns but then play second fiddle to the future. Unless the Browns are willing to risk the No. 2 overall pick to solve the QB problem once and for all. Or ... it could be that nobody else wanted to touch him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 imo, you simply can't trust RG3. You can't trust him to execute the offense and you can't trust him to stay healthy. This is why I don't think he's a starter or even a good backup candidate. But if he can essentially get lost behind an established starter and really work for a couple of years on developing his game from the pocket, he has a decent chance. Odds are against him, though. Going to Cleveland means at best he'll hold down the spot until his inevitable injury (by week 6 latest); getting replaced by Wentz for the rest of the season and he'll be looking for work again this time next year. He should go to Dallas and beg Jones for a spot on the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepingTitan Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Laremy, welcome to the Browns lmao Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 2 minutes ago, big2033 said: Having a bit of a hard time believing that. It behooves the Browns to keep that QB-at-No. 2 narrative going regardless. It'd be odd for RGlll to sign with the Browns but then play second fiddle the future. Unless the Browns are willing to risk the No. 2 overall pick to solve the QB problem once and for all. Or ... it could be that nobody else wanted to touch him. I'm not sure how Cleveland cannot draft a legit QB prospect. Crunching any array of numbers & probabilities will lead to the same conclusion -- esp financially and, of course, the biggest probability of all -- if you don't at least try to address the QB spot you are looking for a new job in 3 years (normal exclusion of Lord Fisher noted) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 1 hour ago, BeedoeLaw said: Here are some of Cian's tweets with gifs: A small sample size, but he really seems to be banging the drum. When you want desperately to believe something it's not hard to cherry pick video that supports your opinion. Griffin's issue isn't physical ability. It's the drop back passing game and reading defenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKE75 Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 46 minutes ago, Face said: You're fairly new to this board, coming along with Marcus, so I don't know if you're aware but I'm as big a Jeff Fisher fan as there is. There's only a few of us, OMan & CTF being the most prominent, that are huge Fisher fans. So with that said, and it pains me to say this, I truly have no idea what Jeff Fisher is thinking. I really don't. For the 2nd straight year he just completely ignored the plethora of good OC candidates out there, promoting some guy named Frank Cignetti last year, who promptly was fired with a month to go in the season. I figured he'd learned his lesson after that & would hire an experienced guy. He didn't agree. He also tendered Case Keenum at a 1st round level & has shown zero interest in any other QB. I realize there isn't much out there but guys like Fitz would be a big improvement. I wish he'd get creative, look at guys like RG3 or CK, who could kill teams with their legs off of PA to Gurley. It almost seems like he's checked out. Same here i didn't want to see Fisher leave here when he did. What was crazy is he might have a year or two of losing but would always be right back in the mix with a playoff spot. I think Fisher putting together good defenses also helped trememdously and thats the one unit thats been overlooked here since Fish left. I put this in another post somewhere but i was quite surprised that post McNair after 2005 it seemed like Fisher got to where he didn't get much results out of the offensive side of the ball all. Whats very shocking is after he got the St. Louis job he never tried to go after a QB in free agency or maybe make a run for one in the draft. Fisher seems to think he can get by with a good defense and strong running game but it hasn't happened yet for him with the Rams. I do think someone like Fitzpatrick would be better than the last few QB's he has trotted out and i'm slightly surprised he hasn't tried to look into him any. Post McNair it looks like Fisher hasn't had much success with his pass offense or total offense. Offense rank (Last ten years)....2006 ranked 27th, 2007 ranked 21st, 2008 ranked 21st, 2009 ranked 12th, 2010 ranked 27th, 2012 ranked 23rd, 2013 ranked 30th, 2014 ranked 28th and 2015 ranked 32nd last Passing offense rank (Last ten years).....2006 ranked 30th, 2007 ranked 27th, 2008 ranked 27th, 2009 ranked 23rd, 2010 ranked 25th, 2012 ranked 18th, 2013 ranked 27th, 2014 ranked 23rd, 2015 ranked 32nd last. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Robert Griffin III's two-year deal with the Browns is worth $15 million, and includes $6.75 million guaranteed. It's perhaps a little more money than expected, but similar to what Chase Daniel got from the Eagles. Griffin can make an additional $3.5 million per year through incentives tied to playing time and performance. ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Browns are still fully expected to select a quarterback in the draft. Griffin will probably make starts this season, but not necessarily in Week 1. Jackson told Griffin during his visit he may have to compete with a highly-drafted rookie, so this signing will not stop the Browns from drafting either Cal QB Jared Goff or North Dakota State QB Carson Wentz with the No. 2 overall pick. http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football/?ls=roto%3anfl%3amorenewsbottom contract: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/robert-griffin-iii/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MamlngEnvy Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 1 hour ago, big2033 said: Having a bit of a hard time believing that. It behooves the Browns to keep that QB-at-No. 2 narrative going regardless. It'd be odd for RGlll to sign with the Browns but then play second fiddle to the future. Unless the Browns are willing to risk the No. 2 overall pick to solve the QB problem once and for all. Or ... it could be that nobody else wanted to touch him. How many teams were guaranteeing rg3 a starting job? 0. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzyeddie Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 3 hours ago, begooode said: Exactly. they have the roster spot and he just picks up Manziel's clipboard after wiping off the alcohol stains. Id scrape that clipboard with my credit card...bet u could at least get a bump Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigma Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 It's a gamble but him with Hue might work... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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