TITANS REPORT INSIDER RB Chris Johnson expected to sign with Cardinals

[Jd8]

CJ is the 2nd leading rusher in the NFL. And that's without hardly playing any of the first game and now splitting carries with Ellington. 

Averaging over 5 yards a carry.

All the other top 5 rushers have atleast a full games worth of carries on CJ 20-30 more carries yet he's like 25-30 yards away from Forte from being the leading rusher and Forte has like 30 more carries then CJ.

If CJ starts week 1 he is the leading rusher in the NFL.

He is having a great season and that is ok.

[rns90]

CJ is the 2nd leading rusher in the NFL. And that's without hardly playing any of the first game and now splitting carries with Ellington. 

Averaging over 5 yards a carry.

All the other top 5 rushers have atleast a full games worth of carries on CJ 20-30 more carries yet he's like 25-30 yards away from Forte from being the leading rusher and Forte has like 30 more carries then CJ.

If CJ starts week 1 he is the leading rusher in the NFL.

He is having a great season and that is ok.

If he had more seasons like this, most of us wouldn't complain at all about this.  The fact that he basically loafed through those last seasons with the Titans (with his huge salary) is what irks most people.

[Jd8]

 

CJ loves the game of football he is not some Albert Haynesworth I really don't think money had all that much to do with it. He was over used and beat to death and it takes a toll on a 195 pound speed back.

I think some forget how much he actually ran between the tackles and how successful he was at it. It's not easy to get killed by guys 300 pounds every week for years.

[XAEA12]

When did CJ ever play with a decent QB?

Kerry Collins in 2010, also his last truly good year.

 

[XAEA12]

CJ ran like a total pussy for years, boasted he was going to run for 2,500 yards, didn't show up for offseason workouts, and blamed everyone else for sucking bad.  He was a one trick pony, a guy who had terrible hands and could only make big plays when he had truck lanes to run through.  Mr. Playmaker only made a few big runs a season.  I think he had about one big play per 100 carries.  Inconsequential.  Sounds like AZ has an Oline that could make most RBs look good.  And I'm not surprised CJ can still run, he always shied away from contact, so he has barely taken a beating his whole career.  It's funny how a guy who ran like shit for 4 years straight commands such respect from a select few people who hate the fact that they were wrong about him and used every excuse in the book to rationalize why he sucked so bad.  Now he has a dominant Oline and suddenly he was always good and it wasn't his fault again.  But we were right to let him go.  Too funny. 

Well, that's ironic.  From over here your side looks like the emotional excuse makers.  No one is saying CJ has been all world, but he has been above average since he left us and he has easily been better than any RB we've had since he left.  Please argue otherwise.

As for the keeping him vs. letting him go argument, to me the obvious has been overlooked: CJ should have been cut and then re-signed for a cheap deal.  Of course no RB is worth what he was due to get.  That doesn't mean you downgrade a position out of spite. I swear the irrational hatred for the guy on this board is worse than for a girl whose date fucked her best friend on prom night.   Y'all really thought Shonne Greene, Javon Ringer, and Jackie Battle were going to create holes because they were "bigger backs" and CJ just didn't "run tough."  Jesus. How are those guys' careers going, by the way?

[titanruss]

LOL , not even close.  Here's Marcus Allen:

587 catches, 5,411 yards. Avg 9.2

Thurman Thomas--472 catches, 4,458 yards. Avg 9.4

Marshall Faulk 767 catches, 6,875 yards.  9.0 avg per catch.

Can someone explain to me how he was totally outplayed by Chris Ivory last season on the Jets who had 2 probowlers on their OL in Ferugeson and Mangold?  Face it, he tries when he wants to and now he's playing for his last big contract.

 

wow, you arent that smart are you? "In the midst of a few HOFers" to you means the best three receiving backs of all time with the longest careers available to compare him to to say he's no good? Lol.. Thanks for making my point.  The fact you need to go that far to find people significantly better is a testament. Pick other hof rbs and he's right in line... do it per season. 

How about emmitt? Barry? Walter, earl, marshawn, AP, Dickerson, Sayers,... My god I could go for hours. Many "receiving back" HOFers are worse in catches/season and yards/ reception.  

[rns90]

wow, you arent that smart are you? "In the midst of a few HOFers" to you means the best three receiving backs of all time with the longest careers available to compare him to to say he's no good? Lol.. Thanks for making my point.  The fact you need to go that far to find people significantly better is a testament. Pick other hof rbs and he's right in line... do it per season. 

How about emmitt? Barry? Walter, earl, marshawn, AP, Dickerson, Sayers,... My god I could go for hours. Many "receiving back" HOFers are worse in catches/season and yards/ reception.  

Hmmm.... Payton 492 catches 9.2 avg.  Blows away CJ in terms of yards per reception.  If you're looking at yards per reception per season, CJ only averaged 8.0 yards or higher 2 years out of however many he has played.  Payton had 11 straight season doing that.

Oh here is another one that kllls CJ--Frank Gifford.  12 straight years of averaging 10+ yards per reception.

Barry already mentioned.  I don't consider Earl a receiving back and those other guys aren't in the hall of Fame.  He beats Sayers since Sayers only played 6 or 7 years.  And no I didn't just cherry pick the three best receiving RB's of all time.  I just picked RB who could actually catch the ball.  It's not really fair to ding runners like Bettis or Earl just because they aren't great receiving backs.

And CJ plays in an era where the passing game (and offense) is emphasized so of course he has more catches than some HOF who played in the early era of pro football. Yards per reception is where he gets killed.  He's better than Emmitt Smith and Curtis Martin.  Ok just going by the HOF RB list of modern running backs.  Out of the 27 guys on that list CJ's 7.4 avg is near the bottom of that list (5th or 6th worst) not the middle as you claim.  Per season it's the same as CJ has only eclipsed 8 yards twice as previously mentioned.  Most of these running backs have have multiple season where they have averaged 10 yards per reception.  And no I'm not going to bring up all that info because it takes too much fucking time.

Even if you lower the threshold per season to something like 7.0 yards per reception per season it still looks pathetic as CJ has only had 3 of those years.  OJ had like 6 years where he avg 11 ypr. Going through most of these stats, it seems that most of these running backs had multiple (talking like 4-6 years) where they average close to 10 yards per catch per season.  This blows away CJ in the yards/reception.

 

 

 

[OILERMAN]

CJ is/was arguably better than the Titans current group of pitiful RBs? So what? He was scheduled to make 8 mill in 2014, give me the cheap scrub vs. the 8 mill scrub.

There isn't a stat or metric that shows CJ was better than Ivory last season. Gee I wonder why the Jets kept Ivory and ditched CJ, CJ's contract wasn't crazy. Jet fans wanted him gone.

Why are people comparing CJ to RBs anyway? He was signed in 2011 to be a "playmaker". After signing his contract he laid down and sucked. Several analysis pointed out on game film how and why he sucked, football outsiders ranked him almost dead last(49th). I guess these people "hated" him too. There were multiple threads started saying to start Ringer(me, Iowa, Guru). Munchak said after the Colt game they would continue to share the workload. Munchak wanted CJ cut after 2012 and Webster confirmed it was debated. CJ pleaded to stay ont he team after 2012 to the media. Mark Schlereth said Ringer should start in 2011. Tom Gower wrote CJ wasn't even an NFL RB he was so bad. The CJ "hate" wasn't just from a select few posters.

The fact the CJ looks good for the Cards on his last leg doesn't change the fact he was a failure after signing his contract. The fact that he was arguably better than the Titans terrible RB core last year means what exactly? The Titans didn't just cut him last season, they purposely dangled him until they absolutely had to cut him out of spite.

CJ also made excuse after excuse while sucking and made bold predictions of 2000 yards year after year. 

Save face? Don't make me laugh. Me saying the Titans shouldn't pay CJ is a badge of honor, it's a big ol "I told you so"

 

 

[big2033]

CJ is/was arguably better than the Titans current group of pitiful RBs? So what? He was scheduled to make 8 mill in 2014, give me the cheap scrub vs. the 8 mill scrub.

There isn't a stat or metric that shows CJ was better than Ivory last season. Gee I wonder why the Jets kept Ivory and ditched CJ, CJ's contract wasn't crazy. Jet fans wanted him gone.

Why are people comparing CJ to RBs anyway? He was signed in 2011 to be a "playmaker". After signing his contract he laid down and sucked. Several analysis pointed out on game film how and why he sucked, football outsiders ranked him almost dead last(49th). I guess these people "hated" him too. There were multiple threads started saying to start Ringer(me, Iowa, Guru). Munchak said after the Colt game they would continue to share the workload. Munchak wanted CJ cut after 2012 and Webster confirmed it was debated. CJ pleaded to stay ont he team after 2012 to the media. Mark Schlereth said Ringer should start in 2011. Tom Gower wrote CJ wasn't even an NFL RB he was so bad. The CJ "hate" wasn't just from a select few posters.

The fact the CJ looks good for the Cards on his last leg doesn't change the fact he was a failure after signing his contract. The fact that he was arguably better than the Titans terrible RB core last year means what exactly? The Titans didn't just cut him last season, they purposely dangled him until they absolutely had to cut him out of spite.

CJ also made excuse after excuse while sucking and made bold predictions of 2000 yards year after year. 

Save face? Don't make me laugh. Me saying the Titans shouldn't pay CJ is a badge of honor, it's a big ol "I told you so"

 

 

So you're just an angry fan who was pissed that a prima donna was overpaid. Pretty much how I envisioned this all along.

For some reason after that hold out so many of you took it so personally. I knew we overpaid, but really didn't care. Didn't cost me a dime and didn't even cost us in free agency.

Your problem is with the person not the player. Always has been. And just like all your angry obsessions you want to see him burned at the stake for taking money from your Titans and being cocky while doing it.

[OILERMAN]

So you're just an angry fan who was pissed that a prima donna was overpaid. Pretty much how I envisioned this all along.

For some reason after that hold out so many of you took it so personally. I knew we overpaid, but really didn't care. Didn't cost me a dime and didn't even cost us in free agency.

Your problem is with the person not the player. Always has been. And just like all your angry obsessions you want to see him burned at the stake for taking money from your Titans and being cocky while doing it.

We overpaid, who cares! You're just a bitter fan!!!!

Boy it's really hard to argue with your defense of CJ.

BTW, no one would give two shits about what kind of person CJ was if he had put forth effort and produced, he didn't and you cannot defend it. He was a dog just like AH was.

I've posted several times I actually commend him and his agent for fleecing the Titans, they almost never let that happen. They were suckered

[oldschool]

This is further indictment that he only gives 100% when he wants to. That wS always my biggest gripe with him.

[CreepingDeath]

CJ is/was arguably better than the Titans current group of pitiful RBs? So what? He was scheduled to make 8 mill in 2014, give me the cheap scrub vs. the 8 mill scrub.

 

 

This makes no sense in context.  The Titans WITH CJ always had plenty of cap room.  Not spending money on CJ would not have allowed for the team to sign other players or FAs.  The complaint about money should be on the front office and coaches if you think CJ's salary affected playing time.  

[cenj]

Well go figure. CJ on a good team is currently one the the NFL's leading rushers, even though he's on the wrong side of 30, an overworked speedback, and was shot in the offseason.

Meanwhile, the Titans are on their 2nd coach and 100th combination of OL/RB/Scheme adjustment, yet still can't run the ball. Everyone we bring in looks like a total bum.

I thought the OL and playcalling wasn't the problem? I thought any bum RB on the street would be better because it was CJ who was responsible for the terrible running game? He was physically done 5 years ago and lost all his speed right? Or was it that he quit trying? Or that he was never very good and NFL defense learned to defend him? Oh no, it was because he was a cancer and some POS everyone hated. Honestly, I forget all the different reasons CJ was responsible for the Titans' failures.

 

[10 A See]

Honestly, the OL failed him his last couple of years. He was consistently hit in the backfield. I do believe that over time he got a bit skittish due to how the hole was rarely there. I don't think he quit. We just have to realize that he's not built like EG. He won't be running through LBs in the backfield and getting 3 tough yards often at all. 

He ran well with the Jets last year (not great, but he played with a turn meniscus all season), and I knew he would find a team based on that tape. I think the shooting scared many teams off, along with his inability to use his hand for a long time (he contemplated retiring because it wasn't functioning properly even though doctors kept assuring him it would). That said, the holes were huge for him in 2009, and that's what he needs to be successful. Big holes for him in AZ. Had the Titan OL created space for him, he would've kept producing. He won't create much yardage on his own, but he can get what's blocked and more. 

Also lets face it. After the 2k season AND that contract, he was doomed to never live up to expectations anyway. No one could...

[MIKE75]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000556321/article/next-gen-stats-bengals-expose-chancellor-in-coverage

Although Johnson is tied for second in rushing through five weeks, he's not relying solely upon his wheels. In last week's blowout victory over the Lions, John Brown (21.03) and Andre Ellington (21.03 mph) each reached higher speeds than Johnson's maximum of 20.58 mph. Johnson is now reliant upon vision, patience and physicality that were missing in recent seasons. The sharp cut at the 40-yard line in the video to the right is demonstrative. A 23-year-old Johnson would have taken that carry to the end zone. A 27-year-old Johnson wouldn't have made that first defender miss. A 30-year-old Johnson forces a missed tackle and scampers 40 yards through open prairie land provided by the best surrounding talent of his career.