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I actually think there were only 2 times where Willis was used in gadget mode and he fumbled both times. The one vs Denver which was on 3rd and 2 at the edge of FG range up 4 in the 4th and the one vs Atlanta when he was preparing to rotate QB's with Levis.

If I recall he used him in a gadget role once as a rookie in the first game Tannehill came back from injury (he lost 4 yards and fumbled).... Every other snap was either in a blowout garbage time or when Tannehill was out injured.

If it takes 5 years, the ROI will be with some other team. 2027 is the key year as year 4 is when you either are looking to extend a guy or kick the can with a 5th year option. There should be some improvement this year as with most 2nd year starters but by year 3 it should be clear what he is - assuming he stays healthy of course.

I'd venture to guess we see some significant roster churn after the initial 53.

Disagree. Vrabel never played Willis until Tannehill was hurt and then replaced him with Dobbs. As for Levis, I think he loved him pre-draft but very quickly learned Levis' was basically uncoachable regarding dumb stuff that loses games. Once he was forced to keep starting him, he checked out. Callahan loved Levis at first too.....

The idea that Vrabel didn't have a heavy hand in both the Willis and Levis picks is ridiculous. Of course he did and I don't think in either case the GM and he were not aligned.

The idea that Vrabel didn't have a heavy hand in both the Willis and Levis picks is ridiculous. Of course he did and I don't think in either case the GM and he were not aligned.

Vrabel loved both Willis and Levis until he had to actually play them and rely on them to win games..... I'm convinced one of the big reasons Vrabel soured on the Titans and wanted out. No coincidence that this was when the Vrabel is unhappy chatter started.

It's far too early to determine where he'll land. All of what you point out is valid. He was in an awful situation surrounded by poor talent and coaching. This year, there's no question that on paper the offensive talent is better and Daboll has far more credentials than Callahan ever did. With more experience, the game should slow down. It certainly won't happen overnight. Teams do fail QB's and it's almost always because they either overdraft them and/or play them immediately when they aren't ready - because of the things like poor talent around them, being super young, and overwhelmed. Even the examples provided - none of those guys are considered top tier QB's and are somewhere in the 11-20 range in most evaluations. Of that bunch - Darnold probably is the most talented of the bunch from a passer standpoint and it took him going to Shanahan for a year to get him squared away and reset. The real issue is whether the issues he does have mechanically (and he does have them) is in fact correctable for a 24-year-old trying to do it at the NFL level at full speed. It directly ties to the true ceiling he has as a player - cornerstone of the team for the next 10 years, mid starter, move on in 2 or 3 years). I think it's a bigger challenge than the picture you paint here. If it was easily correctable, it would have been done already. Yes he's got a cannon arm but that's truly the only elite trait he has. He CAN throw with anticipation but it's not at a consistency level that I'd say it warrants being labeled elite. I fully expect the Titans to rely heavy on a run game and try to make things easier for Ward with pre-snap motion, play action, etc. and then build from there. To make that work though, the erratic blips we see a bit too much need to go down in frequency. If all goes well and the defense can be decent, they can win games that way. The worry is that if Ward and the team struggle, the patience of the fans and local media is tiny. He will not get the Mariota treatment of excuse making ad naseum.

He's talented but until he learns to catch with his damn feet on the ground, he'll always be injury prone.

This is just a weird take @Mythos27as you know ball. Henry himself said he made adjustments. It's also undeniable that he had been dropped on the depth chart and on the trade block prior to his adjustments. While he certainly could have also benefitted from improved blocking - run blocking typically takes time to gel given the soft practices in TC and in week - but he and others have explicitly said he made adjustments. If anything, Henry deserves a ton of credit for doing so and going from the bench to a stud runner.

The nuance is context and in terms of this game, SEA was clearly game planning on offense and maybe a lesser extent on defense. That said, Ward has looked very ordinary in the 2 games. His best play IMO was the scramble throw to Helm who didn't get his feet down but even then the throw was a tad late - a tick earlier and it's not nearly as difficult a catch. The elephant in the room is that he was drafted #1 overall. The expectation is a stud QB - top 10 type of guy. He's got a way to go - I think a reasonable comp would be Caleb Williams whom did make a jump in year 2 although not I don't think he's the guy he was proclaimed to be pre-draft....

Dike is the backup slot guy and is an all pro returner. Restrepo isn't even listed as slot but instead outside behind Ridley and Ayamanor

I see - good can always be taken with a grain of salt. Bad is always concerning because you're typically not game planning and in the Titans case they've been playing their one's versus everyone's backups.

Henry has 143 yards and a long TD and Pacman had a punt return TD..... Nothing tops the Jags game that year when they won with 3 defensive/ST TD's and the one offensive scoring drive was setup by a long kick return and they lost yardage on the drive to settle for a FG. They had 98 yards of total offense and were 0-8 on 3rd down. But VY was a winner!

Anyone who has any kind of emotional intelligence or relationships with adults knew from the get go that these 2 were fucking from the initial release of the photos and info. The efforts by Vrabel, Russini, NE, and the Athletic were inept in terms of damage control. Russini will never recover from being the NFL whore and any goodwill Vrabel has built will go away once they inevitably regress now that they don't have the easiest schedule in the last 30 years.....

Retard Russ has said plenty of dumb things over the years but if he truly thinks Fisher made it all up in a ruse to get rid of the retard QB by getting him shot to death by cops is up there. Hell if his theory is true, Fisher deserved coach of the year!

I'd be concerned if he thinks he's earned the right to be sloppy in preseason because he's accomplished nothing of note so far. The far more likely reality is that he has footwork/mechanics issues just like he did as a rookie and in college. The scary thing is that the examples of guys who fix that while in the NFL are extremely rare. Hopefully he's one of the few and Daboll and Tierney can fix it.

It's too early to panic but the mechanics/footwork/accuracy issues that keep on popping up with Ward were obvious pre-draft and always made his ceiling debatable. Off script wow plays are nice but the best QB's can play consistently from the structure of the offense. He got a pass from 2025 because the coaching staff was completely inept but he'll need to show some real growth once the games start for real. The leash on these top draft pick QB's isn't 5 years like with Pineapple Tebow or retard VY.

3 absolutes....Death, Taxes, and Tards on TR. The Radio of QB's had to be forced back into the Jags game on 9/7. Gets injured. Skips the mandatory medical examination and MRI the next morning and the team can't get a hold of him. Then the retard storms out of his house with a gun after telling his personal therapist he had suicidal thoughts and wanted to quit football (AGAIN). His own business manager chased after him in his car going 90 MPH and the therapist calls Fisher telling him all of this. But it's Fisher's fault! No it's all on the lazy, entitled, immature, weak bust of a QB. https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=3584636 As for the tard babble in here about W/L record, the VY data sample is a prime example of why assigning wins and losses to QB's requires context that many of the morons on here can't even comprehend. They were winning most of the games in 2006/2007 in spite of his QB play, not because of it.

How ironically funny is this? He died from ALS for the tards that don't know.

Or ALS..... Too soon for a CJ vs Shaw death poll?

What's funny is that you guys think this is torture....it's merely saying what half the board is thinking when you dumbfucks post tard babble.

We don't need more homer TEN losers on here.....There's too manyalready.

LOL no not him. I wish because he was pretty brilliant back in the day as a poster and TC in general had better content, better discussions, more competent posters. He and Oman had some team and media contacts. Anyone who posted back in those days knows our styles are way different. He was far more nice than I'd ever be to the idiots. That said, pretty sure he never would have made an idiot like you a moderator although let's face it....you moderate as well as you post. From being a homer for VY and Mariota to dumb shit like this.....If I recall, the only reason TC was even created was because they were above the swill at GoTitans.....