Rogue Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 3 hours ago, Titans279 said: I think being on the verge of panic is an overreaction to what we've seen. Also the nature of forums and podcasts encourages groupthink. [I think think of a certain event a little more than a year ago many forums and podcasts were certain was going to happen] I said there is a bit of an echo chamber. Jamal himself said every podcast he listens to is saying the same thing (except one which is too far in the other direction). Jonboy stopped listening to one that he didn't agree with! What's that sound like? When the episode was over, I knew this was my least favorite episode of the series. A subsequent viewing didn't help. I didn't need any group think. I didn't need anyone else's opinion. I even told my friend that came over to watch it that it felt like a big budget NBC show. That would be an exaggeration, but it shows just how disappointed I was with the episode. I don't know why there has to be a group think, as if any one of us didn't know by the end of the episode how we felt about it. I don't even listen to podcasts, but I did start to listen to the one jonboy posted just because I wanted to see if their frustrations were the same as mine. If you don't agree the writing has suffered, and the last episode was the epitome of the weak writing, then great. I hope there is no episode that breaks the camel's back for you, because that would probably mean I would hate it....and I don't want to hate it. We're only a few episodes removed from the Spoils or War, which was one of my all time favorites, so I'm hoping this little blip on the radar is singular. No panic. No overreaction. I just thought it was the weakest episode to date for the reasons I love the show. reo, and IsntLifeFunny 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, CreepingDeath said: You could argue that by reading these popular opinions online (either "GoT is getting worse" or "GoT is SO GREAT!") creates a mindset going into each episode. This is pretty much what I was going for. I think podcasts and forums are very effective at doing this. I'm not saying there haven't been some problems and that all criticism is null and void because of my argument. 54 minutes ago, Rogue said: If you don't agree the writing has suffered, and the last episode was the epitome of the weak writing, then great. I hope there is no episode that breaks the camel's back for you, because that would probably mean I would hate it....and I don't want to hate it. We're only a few episodes removed from the Spoils or War, which was one of my all time favorites, so I'm hoping this little blip on the radar is singular. No panic. No overreaction. I just thought it was the weakest episode to date for the reasons I love the show. Your first graphs tells me you haven't read my other comments. Your second graph is fine and I'm not addressing you with the comments you're responding to. Edited August 25, 2017 by Titans279 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 4 hours ago, Titans279 said: You aren't perfect. Surely you aren't saying you call out every instance of it and you never miss one. I didn't say the concerns were invalid and everything was amazing. You probably didn't pay attention but I've said there are problems. I think being on the verge of panic is an overreaction to what we've seen. Also the nature of forums and podcasts encourages groupthink. [I think think of a certain event a little more than a year ago many forums and podcasts were certain was going to happen] I said there is a bit of an echo chamber. Jamal himself said every podcast he listens to is saying the same thing (except one which is too far in the other direction). Jonboy stopped listening to one that he didn't agree with! What's that sound like? Who is panicking? All I've seen is legit criticism that people like SK and NN overreact to. I'm not sure what your argument is. Jamalisms 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, oldschool said: Who is panicking? All I've seen is legit criticism that people like SK and NN overreact to. I'm not sure what your argument is. Uh... you liked this post by Jonboy 5 hours ago, Jonboy said: Exactly. I mean...if now isn't the time to panic, when is? We're in the home stretch here and this ridiculous story we're seeing play out is all part of the end-game, or at the very least, a set-up for the end-game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonboy Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 5 hours ago, Titans279 said: You aren't perfect. Surely you aren't saying you call out every instance of it and you never miss one. I didn't say the concerns were invalid and everything was amazing. You probably didn't pay attention but I've said there are problems. I think being on the verge of panic is an overreaction to what we've seen. Also the nature of forums and podcasts encourages groupthink. [I think think of a certain event a little more than a year ago many forums and podcasts were certain was going to happen] I said there is a bit of an echo chamber. Jamal himself said every podcast he listens to is saying the same thing (except one which is too far in the other direction). Jonboy stopped listening to one that he didn't agree with! What's that sound like? Oh didn't see this earlier. Yeah, it has nothing to do with agreeing/disagreeing or even them being positive. I only listened to a small portion of their first podcast this season. I've listened to A Cast of Kings for quite some time, but this year I started listening to the Bald Move GoT podcast, as well as the On the Throne podcast occasionally. Here's my post from above. 2 hours ago, Jonboy said: Yeah I stopped listening a few years ago, largely because the hosts never did more than a surface level analysis of the plot. Two of the hosts, Eric and Micah, are Mugglecast alums so I knew them from their Potter days. They were on pretty frequently back when I listened and they tried to bring more discussion. I just didn't like the style of the main host, Zach Luwe I believe, and Hannah. To be fair to them, they are more of a book podcast. They've done re-reads of the series, but I've never listened to many of those. This year when S7 premiered, I decided to give them another shot. As soon as they started it immediately took me back to why I had stopped listening in the first place. Zach takes up so much of the time talking about how awesome it is to be in this moment. It pretty quickly turns into a "Liked this...loved that...isn't this so cool?...didn't like that..." and that's just not what I'm looking for out of a GoT podcast. I got about 10 minutes in and had to stop the episode, then deleted it from my feed, lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 46 minutes ago, Titans279 said: Uh... you liked this post by Jonboy Seems like a comment that adopts the terminology of another and more or less equates to "the criticisms, by whatever name, are valid." oldschool 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 On 8/24/2017 at 10:41 AM, Jamalisms said: Imo, a solid finale this season can redeem the season as a whole somewhat - at least enough to mute or stall (not erase) the bigger concerns that have been building for a few episodes now. A lot of people are approaching panic mode, if the reviews/podcasts are any judge. A solid finale allows for a deep breath in that regard. A solid season finale plus a satisfying and worthy final season can redeem the over tone of discussion regarding the show's quality as a whole. Right now it's ending with something a good bit stronger than, but akin to, a whimper. The next seven episodes matter greatly. My initial post was in response to this. I think that there was no need to panic and that the broader GoT-sphere is kind of overreacting. I agree with this except I wouldn't downgrade the show as far as saying it's going out with a "whimper." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, Titans279 said: I agree with this except I wouldn't downgrade the show as far as saying it's going out with a "whimper." How about something a good bit stronger than, but akin to, a whimper? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Jamalisms said: How about something a good bit stronger than, but akin to, a whimper? You enjoy pedantic arguments a little too much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 17 minutes ago, Titans279 said: You enjoy pedantic arguments a little too much. I enjoy discussing thoughts as they are intended. Pedantry is often needed on the internet to force people to accept what words mean and adjust them to clarify intent. Often it results in arguing about what were arguing about. Alternatively, I could pretend I agree that we disagree and cite arguments to counter some imagined point you never truly made. Neither is overly great, but I'll choose the former. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: I enjoy discussing thoughts as they are intended. Pedantry is often needed on the internet to force people to accept what words mean and adjust them to clarify intent. Can you clarify what "something a good bit stronger than, but akin to, a whimper" means to me? Your intended meaning is very unclear to me. I just don't know what that means. Somewhat stronger than but similar to a whimper..?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, Titans279 said: Can you clarify what "something a good bit stronger than, but akin to, a whimper" means to me? Your intended meaning is very unclear to me. I just don't know what that means. Somewhat stronger than but similar to a whimper..?? Similar in directional negativity to the phrase "going out with a whimper" ... only the critique is not down to the level of a whimper. It's a statement which invokes a commonly understood phrase and adjusts it upward so as not to be quite so negative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreepingDeath Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Jamalisms said: I enjoy discussing thoughts as they are intended. Pedantry is often needed on the internet to force people to accept what words mean and adjust them to clarify intent. Often it results in arguing about what were arguing about. Alternatively, I could pretend I agree that we disagree and cite arguments to counter some imagined point you never truly made. Neither is overly great, but I'll choose the former. Is this like reading what you hear? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 Whoa I come back and Jamal's changed his post without it saying he edited it! Fun times... MadMax 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 14 minutes ago, Titans279 said: Whoa I come back and Jamal's changed his post without it saying he edited it! Fun times... He does that... MadMax 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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