Starkiller Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 I can actually see both sides of the argument. But what about Littlefinger's dagger? It was returned without much incident and even in his made up story it was made to be an item that was put up in a bet. Though valuable, you'd think given the rarity that such an item would be completely off the table over something as trivial as a gambling chip over a tournament. You would think, but Cat trusted Littlefinger implicitly. And it made for an easily identifiable blade. Maybe just the fact that it's a dagger and not enough metal to be very useful makes it far less valuable than a sword would be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 That and Valyrian metal can be reworked (Ned's sword). You have daggers and such that are rare enough to be of note but plentiful enough that one shows up in the "kill Bran" scene and it's believable someone wagered it on a tilt. Get a handful of daggers and boom... Lannister sword. Mercalius 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Okay Reo. In reality it doesn't make any sense as a valyrian blade would be the most prized possession in the house and would be worth going to war over. The more likely scenario is that GRRM simply used the Mormont blade as a plot device and didn't account for fans over analyzing every little detail to death. Look, everything that happens in the series could be just as easily considered a plot device. A dire wolf south of the wall dead but with pups? Robert conveniently needing a new hand after his last was poisoned. Bran crippled. Jon going off to the Watch for no reason. Its a fantasy novel. Just enjoy the ride... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Look, everything that happens in the series could be just as easily considered a plot device. A dire wolf south of the wall dead but with pups? Robert conveniently needing a new hand after his last was poisoned. Bran crippled. Jon going off to the Watch for no reason. Its a fantasy novel. Just enjoy the ride... Even though they're made up, fantasy novels can be reasonably expected to have internal consistency. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 And this does as far as I'm concerned Legaltitan, and reo 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Then that post makes even less sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Look, everything that happens in the series could be just as easily considered a plot device. A dire wolf south of the wall dead but with pups? Robert conveniently needing a new hand after his last was poisoned. Bran crippled. Jon going off to the Watch for no reason. Its a fantasy novel. Just enjoy the ride... Believe me I am. You are the one attempting to rationalize this. My argument is that valyrian steel while rare is not worth kingdoms. Just look to your link from earlier. There are minor houses on that list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtenn Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 So, exactly how long has it been since the last winter? And how did anyone survive said last winter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 So, exactly how long has it been since the last winter? And how did anyone survive said last winter? Voltron and the 5 Valyrian blades did the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Even though they're made up, fantasy novels can be reasonably expected to have internal consistency. It's really not that difficult. Mormont had taken the sword w/ him to the wall when he took the Black. After being given to him, it was his sword to do w/ as he pleased. Generally that might've meant to hand it down to a son but he didn't for reasons already stated. Jon saved his life and was his heir at Castle Black so he got the sword. It's that simple and consistent w/ the story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 I don't see why anyone cares. Of course it is a plot point---everything in the book is a plot point. Of all conveniences to nitpick, this seems like a silly one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 It's really not that difficult. Mormont had taken the sword w/ him to the wall when he took the Black. After being given to him, it was his sword to do w/ as he pleased. Generally that might've meant to hand it down to a son but he didn't for reasons already stated. Jon saved his life and was his heir at Castle Black so he got the sword. It's that simple and consistent w/ the story. I've got no problem with it. Mormont took to Jon and tried to ready him to be a leader. Maybe he was simply the only person in sight he felt worthy to have it. reo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 I've got no problem with it. Mormont took to Jon and tried to ready him to be a leader. Maybe he was simply the only person in sight he felt worthy to have it. The only legit question someone could have against it would be why he had it at the Wall in the first place. From my perspective it was his sword once he got it from his father and he could do w/ it as he pleased. That might typically mean to pass it down but that doesn't have to be the case. And then once he had it at the Wall, giving it to Jon was the logical choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 I don't see why anyone cares. Of course it is a plot point---everything in the book is a plot point. Of all conveniences to nitpick, this seems like a silly one. Some see it as contrived. I don't agree w/ that. Do you believe this is some far fetched plot point? I don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Some see it as contrived. I don't agree w/ that. Do you believe this is some far fetched plot point? I don't. Honestly, I can't really say--haven't read the book. Seems like a dumb thing to nitpick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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