The Trump Files featuring Jeffery Epstein, MLK, JFK, RFK, Diddy Files

[IsntLifeFunny]

26 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

I'll get push back on this but whatever. I'm not convinced Trump himself is a full on pedo. I do believe he's a rapist and prone to sexual assault. I believe he'd be inappropriate with underage women around 16, 17, which is gross enough but I don't think children are his bag. I'm very open to being wrong on this because I think he's one of the most amoral humans I've ever learned about and I put absolutely nothing past him.

 

He is however, a confirmed pedo protector. That's just a factual statement at this point. Actively protecting the pedos from the swiftest justice possible is horrific enough that no one should support him at this point. And yet, he still has some support. Proof that some people will defend anything. He literally told MTG that the files shouldn't be released because it would "hurt my friends". This is no longer in dispute. 

No, he's likely a pedophile. The evidence is overwhelming at this point in terms of proximity and proclivity. 

 

I was on your same line until the sheer amount that was released in the Epstein files. He's all over them and was directly involved. The one that pushed me over the line, which you might not have seen, was sworn testimony under penalty of perjury about witnessing the acts. That pushed it over. 

 

BUT, I agree in principle and have said as much. Him being one or not is not the basis of judgement. It's the casual proximity. He knew. He sent underage masseuses to him. They were good friends and partied with him.  He called the cops afterwards and told on himself "everyone knows" lol like yeah motherfucker we KNOW that you knew and that's a big problem. Any sane person with a speck of intelligence that cannot put connect the dots is deliberately lying to themselves. 

[Mythos27]

Just now, Titandan said:

 

There are theories that if all of the pedos from the Epstein files are revealed, the stock market will crash beyond repair. I don't know how that would look but I guess that means more rich and famous people are involved than not.  

 

We'll see what happens. Either way, I'm on the side of revealing everything. Rip it off like a huge bandaid. Scabs and everything. Don't care of Trump or Musk is involved. Still wanna see what's underneath.  

On this we are aligned. Release it all with no redactions (except for victims) and let the chips fall where they may. As Morpheus famously said in the first Matrix movie "Take the red pill- you stay in wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes". I deeply respected the insights of Noam Chomsky only to find out he was giving that fucking chomo Epstein PR tips. Fuck Noam Chomsky and anyone else in there. 

[Mythos27]

3 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

No, he's likely a pedophile. The evidence is overwhelming at this point in terms of proximity and proclivity. 

 

I was on your same line until the sheer amount that was released in the Epstein files. He's all over them and was directly involved. The one that pushed me over the line, which you might not have seen, was sworn testimony under penalty of perjury about witnessing the acts. That pushed it over. 

 

BUT, I agree in principle and have said as much. Him being one or not is not the basis of judgement. It's the casual proximity. He knew. He sent underage masseuses to him. They were good friends and partied with him.  He called the cops afterwards and told on himself "everyone knows" lol like yeah motherfucker we KNOW that you knew and that's a big problem. Any sane person with a speck of intelligence that cannot put connect the dots is deliberately lying to themselves. 

100%. Like I said, wouldn't shock me if he was directly involved himself but I do have to be intellectually honest and acknowledge that I haven't seen direct proof yet (that victim statement under oath counts as evidence to me though).

[IsntLifeFunny]

2 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

100%. Like I said, wouldn't shock me if he was directly involved himself but I do have to be intellectually honest and acknowledge that I haven't seen direct proof yet (that victim statement under oath counts as evidence to me though).

Completely fair. I was right there with you until I saw that. Lying to the FBI under oath takes a lot of gall. Doesn't mean it can't happen with malintent to slander. With the rest of the claims surrounding it...too much and pushed me over the edge that likely he was involved directly. 

 

To your point, or at least to both of our point's, the Republicans are taking every accusation and putting it into a vacuum, are dropping context, and are outright lying about all of this. No way around the fact Trump knowingly and willingly was in proximity to all of this for many years. There's simply no way around the facts as much as these assholes try. 

 

And of course when we discuss all of this like it matters...it doesn't. We won't convince them. Where it frustrates is that these 3 left hanging on are directly reflective of what I see in the real world. 

[tgo]

 

[MadMax]

3 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

 

How many times do you have to be told, the files couldn't be released when there was an active investigation going on, which there was with Maxwell. 

No amount of times will sway the cultists.

[reo]

2 hours ago, Titandan said:

You got me.  Guilty as charged... Garland had no idea of any of these purely independent investigations and none of them were political in any manner, shape, or form.  

Let me ask you a separate question. This goes out to my brother, @Mythos27, too. 

Let's just (hypothetically) say Trump was indeed a pedo and an accomplice of Epstein before he decided to turn on him. 

Would saving thousands of trafficked children from today's current batch of pedos all over America partially absolve him of some of the crimes that he might have committed in the past? 

I'm reminded of the story of John Newton.  Slave Trader who had a near death experience while on one of his slave ships. After giving his life to God, he repented of his misdeeds and vowed to fight against slavery. 

He fought against the slave trade alongside William Wilberforce. Their work helped pass the British Slave Trade Act in 1807, which ended slave trading in the British Empire.

Newton spent the rest of his life as a minister and wrote many hymns still sung today. He died in 1807, the same year the slave trade was abolished in Britain.

Would you guys be able to forgive Trump if he devoted his presidency to saving trafficked children? 

 

We are not discussing theological redemption. We are discussing whether there is credible evidence of involvement. If someone committed crimes, later policy decisions do not erase criminal liability. That applies to anyone, regardless of party. If there is no evidence, then say that. If there is evidence, evaluate it. But replacing the evidentiary question with a moral redemption hypothetical avoids the issue.

 

Even if someone later does good work, that does not negate past crimes. Those are separate questions. The only issue here is whether credible evidence exists.

 

Asking whether later good actions would absolve prior crimes is a different conversation than whether there is evidence of prior crimes.

 

And we are not starting from a blank slate where the man has no history of legal findings. He is a convicted felon on 34 counts. A federal jury found him liable for sexual abuse and defamation. Those are adjudicated facts. That does not prove involvement with Epstein. But it does mean skepticism about his conduct is not irrational or invented.

[reo]

1 hour ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

No, he's likely a pedophile. The evidence is overwhelming at this point in terms of proximity and proclivity. 

 

We know at the very least that he'd barge into the dressing room of girls as young as 16 or 17 when they were naked during the Miss Teen USA pagents b/c he admitted it.

 

And we know he'd "grab them by the pussy" w/o asking first b/c he admitted that as well. Those facts combined w/ the E Jean Carroll case lead towards an easy perception of a serial abuser.

 

Combine that w/ him being close friends w/ Epstein and again... it's not an irrational or invented leap to assume the 39000x he was mentioned in the Epstein files have weight.

Edited yesterday at 03:00 AM by reo

[reo]

2 hours ago, Titandan said:

Would you guys be able to forgive Trump if he devoted his presidency to saving trafficked children? 

 

 

Thinking about this response from dan more.... He knows.

And since he mostly just repeats the propaganda and misinformation that's being fed to the MAGA cult... this is probably coming from the cult. Which means they know too. And they potentially know more evidence is coming out and they can't stop it. So they're trying to prep their base w/ a reason to absolve him when it does eventually come out.

 

They know. And that's big.

Edited yesterday at 03:40 AM by reo

[reo]

 

 

[Mythos27]

1 hour ago, reo said:

 

 

Thinking about this response from dan more.... He knows.

And since he mostly just repeats the propaganda and misinformation that's being fed to the MAGA cult... this is probably coming from the cult. Which means they know too. And they potentially know more evidence is coming out and they can't stop it. So they're trying to prep their base w/ a reason to absolve him when it does eventually come out.

 

They know. And that's big.

Trump and Trumpism is politically dead. Most Americans think Trump is either a pedo, covering up for pedos, or best friends with pedos. The right spent the last 4 years accusing everyone they disagreed with of grooming children and being pedos with 0 evidence; now the tables have turned and they can't handle it. They forgot that when you feed a beast enough eventually it gets big enough to eat you too. Anyone smart is preparing for a post-Trump world. The mid-terms were always going to go badly for them but after Minnesota and now the Epstein stuff flaring up every couple of days it's going to be an absolute blood bath. It's a long shot but even the senate might be in play at this point. 

[reo]

 

 

 

Something interesting to look into if anyone gets bored.

 

 

 

[Titandan]

2 hours ago, reo said:

And since he mostly just repeats the propaganda and misinformation that's being fed to the MAGA cult... this is probably coming from the cult.

Cult? LOLLL

I was just asking a hypothetical because you gays keep filling my head with the assurance that he used to be Epstein's best friend and he's done pedo shit for sure!  

I honestly don't think he did but since you guys are so sure, I thought I'd throw it out there.

Unless you're living under a rock for the past 2-3 years, there's been a civil war within MAGA country.  We aren't just one cult.  We actually have very diverse groups that form our larger voting block.  

[reo]

1 hour ago, Titandan said:

Cult? LOLLL

I was just asking a hypothetical because you gays keep filling my head with the assurance that he used to be Epstein's best friend and he's done pedo shit for sure!  

I honestly don't think he did but since you guys are so sure, I thought I'd throw it out there.

Unless you're living under a rock for the past 2-3 years, there's been a civil war within MAGA country.  We aren't just one cult.  We actually have very diverse groups that form our larger voting block.  

 

Whatever you've gotta tell yourself. 

[OILERMAN]

@Mythos27

 

Why did Trump have Maxwell moved into a much nicer prison and talk about her so good? I believe he'll also pardon her. What motivation could he have?

 

Of course he's a pedo