Total Trump Victory Celebration Thread

[Jamalisms]

6 hours ago, Titandan said:

According to your own article...

"When asked about it, the State Department issued a statement saying the purchase is now on hold with no plans of fulfilling the contract, pointing out that talks with Tesla began during the Biden administration."

So where's the scandal? 

 

5 hours ago, Titans279 said:

 

That they were going to do it until they got caught? LOL

 

400M for armored Teslas is insane. Attempting that is a scandal.

 

Potentially editing the evidence to blame it on Biden is another layer on top.

 

I tried to murder him but the police stopped me. He's fine and healthy. Where's the crime!?

 

Dan, with all due respect (fucking none) you are a buffoon.

[Titandan]

44 minutes ago, Jamalisms said:

 

 

I tried to murder him but the police stopped me. He's fine and healthy. Where's the crime!?

 

Dan, with all due respect (fucking none) you are a buffoon.

I was waiting for you all day, Jamal. Was starting to miss you, bud. Hope you have a good night 

[Justafan]

7 hours ago, Titandan said:

Colluded how?

 

What's your definition of collusion?

 

I don't fault Maddow for using the Dossier if she honestly didn't know. It could happen to anyone if they are misled with bad info.  But I'd expect a little more humility if she's been duped.

 

Otherwise she's a disingenuous dirt bag continuing to feed her audience garbage. 

 

They communicated with Russian government in hopes of getting dirt and the Russians actively tried to influence the election because people on Trump’s team gave them reason to believe he would act in their interests.

 

 

[Justafan]

5 hours ago, chef said:

 

In many ways he's like Rogan in that they were/are both really good at what they do.  And equating their beliefs, their intentions, their audiences, but when you are running a recurring long format radio/podcast you have to have a certain something to connect with people and they both do.

 

Despite all the willingness to push the conspiracy crap, I don't hate Rogan.  He may be often (very) wrong but I don't think he's insincere, and that is a large part of his appeal.  He does have on some pretty interesting and diverse guests, and when not rabbit holing on conspiracies or elk meat he's mostly a pretty solid interviewer.  He comes across like a guy you could meet at a bar and have a nice chat with for the evening regardless if you were on the same page politically or not.  And that's his secret sauce to his massive audience.

 

I think a lot of hatred for him is not-very-repressed jealousy from those who wish they had a Joe Rogan to push back against conspiracy, anti-science and the like.  But in perceived battle of Populism vs Elitism (unfair labels sure, but how it gets framed), you know who will win the audience 99.9% of the time.  Same reason it wins at the ballot box.  And that ain't just Trump.

 

Good post. Rogan’s shows are way too long for me but yes he’s popular for a reason. 
 

I also agree with you on populism and how that helped Trump win moreso than the culture war many on the right have been bragging about since the election. 

[Titandan]

1 hour ago, Justafan said:

They communicated with Russian government in hopes of getting dirt and the Russians actively tried to influence the election because people on Trump’s team gave them reason to believe he would act in their interests.

Are you talking about the meeting in Trump Tower?  

I think it's safe to say (as shady as it may sound) most every campaign uses whatever dirt they can get their hands on to discredit their opposition.  Although Don Jr, Manafort, and Kushner took the meeting expecting to get some info, they didn't and quickly dismissed themselves from it.  In order for their to be collusion, I believe there needs to be secret meeting (probably qualifies as secret meeting) or illegal meeting in order to deceive or cheat someone.  I think the only way this would be cheating is if they tried to frame Hilary for something she did not do.  October Surprises are probably mostly legal and almost expected from both sides. 

This collusion actually sounds more like what Hillary Campaign and DNC did to Trump.  

Steele, a former head of the Russia Desk for British intelligence (MI6), was writing the report for the private investigative firm Fusion GPS, that was paid by Hillary Clinton's campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC).

Making up a fake dossier to gin up accusations that may lead to charges against a political opponent seems to check all the boxes. Furthermore, Clinton Campaign and the DNC didn't disclose the funds they used for this "opposition research" (aka fake dossier).

Mueller Report found no evidence of collusion and not enough evidence of obstruction of justice. 

I probably don't need to be the resident Trump apologist anymore since there will probably be real investigations starting soon.  

Not trying to be contentious as I mostly like what you've been posting recently.  I'm fully aware that you are trying to bring some civility and substance to these discussions so I appreciate that.  I'm also trying not to be total dick these days if you noticed. 

Have a good night, brother!

[No1TitansFan]

np

Edited February 25 by No1TitansFan

[No1TitansFan]

1 hour ago, Titandan said:

This collusion actually sounds more like what Hillary Campaign and DNC did to Trump.  

Steele, a former head of the Russia Desk for British intelligence (MI6), was writing the report for the private investigative firm Fusion GPS, that was paid by Hillary Clinton's campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC).

Making up a fake dossier to gin up accusations that may lead to charges against a political opponent seems to check all the boxes. Furthermore, Clinton Campaign and the DNC didn't disclose the funds they used for this "opposition research" (aka fake dossier).


Have a good night, brother!

Wrong yet again. "The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative site based in Washington, D.C., confirmed that it hired the firm Fusion GPS to unearth damaging information about President Donald Trump in the run-up to the election. GOP donor and billionaire Paul Singer is one of the site’s key backers. Associated Press reporter Tom LoBianco joins Hari Sreenivasan from Washington, D.C., for more." https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/conservative-site-was-original-funder-of-anti-trump-dossier

[Titandan]

1 hour ago, No1TitansFan said:

Wrong yet again. "The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative site based in Washington, D.C., confirmed that it hired the firm Fusion GPS to unearth damaging information about President Donald Trump in the run-up to the election. GOP donor and billionaire Paul Singer is one of the site’s key backers. Associated Press reporter Tom LoBianco joins Hari Sreenivasan from Washington, D.C., for more." https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/conservative-site-was-original-funder-of-anti-trump-dossier

Wonder who's telling the truth? 

BTW, your interview transcript literally states that Hillary and the DNC paid Steele. 

"Earlier this week, another Washington law firm, Perkins Coie, which represented the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee, said it continued to pay Steele for his work after Trump secured the nomination."

DNC and Hillary Campaign already got fined for funding the dossier. 

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-2022-midterm-elections-business-elections-presidential-elections-5468774d18e8c46f81b55e9260b13e93

Washington Free Beacon might have started the funding of the Dossier (if this guy's telling the truth) but funding got passed on to the Dems.  All parties involved should probably get investigated.

Two things can be true at once. 

[Justafan]

3 hours ago, Titandan said:

Are you talking about the meeting in Trump Tower?  

I think it's safe to say (as shady as it may sound) most every campaign uses whatever dirt they can get their hands on to discredit their opposition.  Although Don Jr, Manafort, and Kushner took the meeting expecting to get some info, they didn't and quickly dismissed themselves from it.  In order for their to be collusion, I believe there needs to be secret meeting (probably qualifies as secret meeting) or illegal meeting in order to deceive or cheat someone.  I think the only way this would be cheating is if they tried to frame Hilary for something she did not do.  October Surprises are probably mostly legal and almost expected from both sides. 

This collusion actually sounds more like what Hillary Campaign and DNC did to Trump.  

Steele, a former head of the Russia Desk for British intelligence (MI6), was writing the report for the private investigative firm Fusion GPS, that was paid by Hillary Clinton's campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC).

Making up a fake dossier to gin up accusations that may lead to charges against a political opponent seems to check all the boxes. Furthermore, Clinton Campaign and the DNC didn't disclose the funds they used for this "opposition research" (aka fake dossier).

Mueller Report found no evidence of collusion and not enough evidence of obstruction of justice. 

I probably don't need to be the resident Trump apologist anymore since there will probably be real investigations starting soon.  

Not trying to be contentious as I mostly like what you've been posting recently.  I'm fully aware that you are trying to bring some civility and substance to these discussions so I appreciate that.  I'm also trying not to be total dick these days if you noticed. 

Have a good night, brother!

They solicited and received aid from Russian intelligence. Roger Stone worked that piece. The meeting as you described at Trump Tower may not have yielded results but they knew what they were asking and who they were asking it from. 

Edited February 25 by Justafan

[Titandan]

12 minutes ago, Justafan said:

They solicited and received aid from Russian intelligence. Roger Stone worked that piece. The meeting as you described at Trump Tower may not have yielded results but they knew what they were asking and who they were asking it from. 

Roger Stone wasn't in Trump's Cabinet.  Are you talking about him communicating with Julian Assange? 

Yup. The Trump Tower meeting was definitely for the purpose of getting dirt on Hillary.  Dirty as it is, it's still doesn't equal collusion unless it was illegal, deceptive, or to cheat.  If the contents were true, it would have just been another scandal like grab em by the p#@#@ video.  Unless Trump manipulated a scandal or cheated in some way, I don't see how any of these things are collusion.  

 

Putin probably did interfere with our election the way the United States interferes with other country's elections. I don't like it. But that doesn't automatically make it collusion. 

[Justafan]

17 minutes ago, Titandan said:

Roger Stone wasn't in Trump's Cabinet.  Are you talking about him communicating with Julian Assange? 

Yup. The Trump Tower meeting was definitely for the purpose of getting dirt on Hillary.  Dirty as it is, it's still doesn't equal collusion unless it was illegal, deceptive, or to cheat.  If the contents were true, it would have just been another scandal like grab em by the p#@#@ video.  Unless Trump manipulated a scandal or cheated in some way, I don't see how any of these things are collusion.  

 

Putin probably did interfere with our election the way the United States interferes with other country's elections. I don't like it. But that doesn't automatically make it collusion. 

I’m not sure how you can say this stuff with a straight face. If what Trump and the people close to him did doesn’t rise to the level of (collusion), what in the ever living hell would? People went to jail. The investigator said they did it and prosecuted the people that they could up until they were blocked by the justice department’s policies not to indict sitting presidents. 

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Poor dan

[Titandan]

21 minutes ago, Justafan said:

I’m not sure how you can say this stuff with a straight face. If what Trump and the people close to him did doesn’t rise to the level of (collusion), what in the ever living hell would? People went to jail. The investigator said they did it and prosecuted the people that they could up until they were blocked by the justice department’s policies not to indict sitting presidents. 

More info will come out.
I guarantee there was a lot more behind the scenes from the DNC and the RNC than they are letting out. 

Trump and his admin didn't run a completely clean campaign/administration but based on the amount of hate they got (even from within his admin), I'm sure most of it is already out in the open.  

The DOJ was definitely weaponized against him and I don't necessarily want payback but we need to make sure this it doesn't happen again. 

[Titandan]

27 minutes ago, Justafan said:

I’m not sure how you can say this stuff with a straight face. If what Trump and the people close to him did doesn’t rise to the level of (collusion), what in the ever living hell would? People went to jail. The investigator said they did it and prosecuted the people that they could up until they were blocked by the justice department’s policies not to indict sitting presidents. 

More info will come out.
I guarantee there was a lot more behind the scenes from the DNC and the RNC than they are letting out. 

Trump and his admin didn't run a completely clean campaign/administration but based on the amount of hate they got (even from within his admin), I'm sure most of it is already out in the open.  

The DOJ was definitely weaponized against him and I don't necessarily want payback but we need to make sure this it doesn't happen again. 

[Justafan]

6 minutes ago, Titandan said:

More info will come out.
I guarantee there was a lot more behind the scenes from the DNC and the RNC than they are letting out. 

Trump and his admin didn't run a completely clean campaign/administration but based on the amount of hate they got (even from within his admin), I'm sure most of it is already out in the open.  

The DOJ was definitely weaponized against him and I don't necessarily want payback but we need to make sure this it doesn't happen again. 

More info isn’t coming out. If Trump had evidence that he was treated unfairly he would be screaming it from the rooftops. 
 

Even if you buy hook line and sinker that there wasn’t a criminal conspiracy to work with Russian intelligence, there is no way to get past the ethical lapses from Trump and the people close to him. It rises far beyond “just getting dirt” and it’s a stain on our political history. Further, some of it was criminal. People went to jail for good reason. Paul Manafort, a member of Trump’s cabinet was a Russian asset and they had to know that. There’s just no way you can have an honest discussion about this stuff unless you start with reality over political narratives.