Dolphins statement on Tyreek (and Calais and Jonnu) situation

[pat]

To answer the question, this is what I teach my kids

 

 

[Alzarius]

2 hours ago, Bink said:

 

This is really easy for people to say in a vacuum. 

 

An interaction with a police officer is an extreme outlier to our day to day lives. Hill is a professional athlete on his way to a game. The level of importance--missing a game, having an injury, the consequences are high. 

 

On the other hand, police are professionals. Their interaction with civilians is a day to day expectation. 

 

They also should expect people to be frustrated or unhappy with the situation. 

 

The responsibility to conduct yourself in a certain type of manor is always on the professional, where there can be reform. 

 

Hill was clearly upset--he could have complied more, sure. The officer's insistence in tossing him around and not letting the situation deescalate is on him. You can hear it in his tone and his approach. 

 

I will accept that the American insistence on doing nothing about guns feeds into this culture that cops are supposedly operating in fear 99% of the time and have no obligation to learn how to be functioning servants of the community. 

 

This is not to denigrate the many that do. And in the grand scheme of things this cop wasn't that bad. 

 

This incident is just one small, relatively inconsequential example of something within our system that needs to be fixed. 

 

The standard of conduct should always be on the professional. 

 

Otherwise, this is how we get to a place where we have things like this happen: 

 

 

 

You know it takes me hours to reply to you LOL.

 

Police are professional 

 

Just like innocent's don't die in wars

 

 

It's not a reality I like or want, but it's reality. 

 

However as far as the license? Yes, IDGAF if he's the POTUS, you speed, you get pulled over. You have you damn license. Zero exceptions. (And yes the cop needs to be a professional)

 

After that? Cops can still take it way to far but if I use this as a learning lesson. Just hang the license, he's not drawing blood. 

 

There's not a lot of times I put my foot down with no chance of changimg what I believe, but yes, this could have 100% gone differently if Hill wasn't an entitled prick. 

 

Well fuck him. Cop comes up, doesn't lower his window, then when he does, starts demanding orders at the cop.

 

Yes, fuckem. 10 out of 10 times. Accountability. 

 

And again,  asshole cops are an issue too . I'm not defending him. Fire him, do whatever.

 

Cops being assholes will NEVER be fixed. You catch them and weed them out. (Which they can't even do or be short handed)

 

My approach would be work on things you actually care enough to do something about. My guess is that no one is doing shit about Cops being assholes because there's not much they can do.

 

Wean teach their children a way to handle situations without escalation, though 

 

2 in the wrong here 

 

 

Edited September 10, 2024 by Alzarius

[NashvilleNinja]

If you can't be a cop without staying above the fray then you probably shouldn't be a cop. Staying above the fray and not making the job personal is 1) how you're going to maintain civility and 2) keep going home every night. Getting distracted by the inane stupidity of someone could blind you to someone else coming up from behind and doing something lethal to you.

[pat]

 

[pat]

I’m not actually a pot head, but I love these lawyers

 

 

[titanruss]

4 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

One of the cops has been suspended 

Free paid vacation! 

[RisingTitanFan]

Hill did not do the bare minimum required to avoid this situation. So the initial escalation is most likely warranted.  

 

I don't believe that the cop has any right or is entitled to respect, but he does have the authority that requires compliance.  Hill did not have to be nice to the Cop, he isn't required to smile, or even be pleasant in any fashion, but he is required to perform the basics that all of us are expected to in the same situation.

 

I do believe cops need to be taught to re-evaluate the situation as it progresses.  The initial instigation might be ok, but now that he is out of the car is he still a potential threat?  If not another attempt to de-escalate should be made.  Too often we instead see an unchecked surge of adrenaline that is common in bar fights and face offs, and the officer begins to initiate unprovoked escalation themselves.  

 

If the officer took a step back and changed up his tone again after getting him out of the car this would probably have been a much smaller headline.

 

I agree with the poster that said it wasn't a great look for anyone involved.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[NashvilleNinja]

4 minutes ago, pat said:

 

 

I have the RIGHT to remain silent. Because, after all, anything I say can and WILL be used against me in a court of law.

[Alzarius]

16 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

Ok. Now we're talking. Hill certainly should have been more cooperative and if he had been, the situation is likely avoided. So yes, ideally citizens would be polite, respectful, and cooperative when they interact with police. I certainly am and I teach my children to be. However, we also know that we do not live in an ideal world and that a number of citizens will not be as compliant as I would. What I'm saying is that the response to uncooperative behavior is not what we saw from police on that video and that normalizing that is a huge problem that leads to more extreme examples of police brutality. 

 

 

Force should always be minimal. 

 

I'm not sure where I stand here to be honest.

 

He wouldn't comply. Cop didn't recognize him. Raising his window IS a dangerous situation.

 

I can pull up multiple articles than one of a cop being shot through tinted windows.

 

I don't think I'd have an issue if him dragging him out and cuffing him. 

 

Some context about how I think.

 

My son got in trouble once. Broke into a stand and stole a candy bar.  (Dumbass). Cops show up, they run.

 

For 30 minutes they searched for him and finally found him. He was under a car, hiding.

 

 

The cop said come out and he tried to escape out the other end. The cop grabbed his foot and dragged him out. Scrapes up his arms and legs.  His mob and grandmother are irate abd come to me because I'm the one who usually loses my shit and does things I regret after.

 

I laughed and called my son a dumbass and told him that's what he gets for making a criminal action and running from the cops.

 

I legit didn't care. He was scrapes, vw waa fine.

 

That's just me though. I do not feel the cop roughed him up.  The decisions he made leading up to it led to him being drug from our from underneath a car.

 

I have a small, close circle who I care about. People I would love and kill for.

 

Even with that, he got what he deserved.

 

 

[Thrill]

1 hour ago, Alzarius said:

 

 

No, this isn't ticktock or YouTube

 

Answer the question.  This is the lack of accountability culture and watching morons on social media to educate them

 

You want to call people dumb and then want to make that type of comment?  Make some effort.

 

Yeah Tik tok invented the constitution???

[WG53]

41 minutes ago, Alzarius said:

 

 

I saw an sports talking head say, in other words, that the cops should have known who it was and should have let him go besause of who he was.

 

I'll try to find that later, it was a popular guy but I dont watch any of them

 

 

That's the same kind of nonsense people post about their political figures.

 

 

Like seriously? No one is supposed to be above the law. If you and I can't do it then should they be allowed to? 

 

I'm not sure why people can't handle routine traffic stops.

 

I don't think anyone likes having interactions with the cops if they can avoid it. Might as well make it as easy and smooth for both sides involved.  Doing so might just let you go with a warning instead of kissing the pavement  

 

 

 

[Alzarius]

15 minutes ago, NashvilleNinja said:

If you can't be a cop without staying above the fray then you probably shouldn't be a cop. Staying above the fray and not making the job personal is 1) how you're going to maintain civility and 2) keep going home every night. Getting distracted by the inane stupidity of someone could blind you to someone else coming up from behind and doing something lethal to you.

 

9 out of 10 days, I'd be an amazing cop. I love helping people and trying to make their day better.  Loveable carbear.

 

 

But one out of 10 days I'm a raging asshole and is end up on TV 

[Thrill]

51 minutes ago, NashvilleNinja said:

 

Ok, tell yourself that the next time you're getting raped or mugged and you're gagging for a cop to show up at that exact moment.

Cops don’t show up for those calls. They show up for traffic stops and suspicious character calls

[Thrill]

36 minutes ago, Bink said:

 

Fucking stupid. 

 

I don't know if you care about being taken seriously or not, but this is a pretty easy way to take yourself out of the conversation. 

Idgaf if you take me seriously horse boy. Cops are the dumbest profession on the whole of any field in the U.S. They get paid a ton of money to have no accountability and act like children. And then they kill people on the job and kill their wives at a higher rate than any other profession. They’re the scum of the earth. If you know a cop personally, he’s probably beating his wife  

[Alzarius]

5 minutes ago, Thrill said:

Yeah Tik tok invented the constitution???

 

No, ticktock just made slow people even slower 

Edited September 10, 2024 by Alzarius